Shots fired at Trump!?!

[puma guy]

Oversight project run by Heritage has used mobile ad data to track movements to shooter's home. First - insane that this level of detail is so easily obtainable, but second - why is s device that was at his home also visiting a building in DC before shooting.

I am slow to believe conspiracy theories, and tend to agree with Hanlon's razor quote: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

But this thread on X (formerly Twittter) by the Oversight Project needs a thorough and neutral investigation.

https://x.com/OversightPR/status/1815446054428352591

Any connections to Deleware?

[Paladin]

Oversight project run by Heritage has used mobile ad data to track movements to shooter's home. First - insane that this level of detail is so easily obtainable, but second - why is s device that was at his home also visiting a building in DC before shooting.

I am slow to believe conspiracy theories, and tend to agree with Hanlon's razor quote: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

But this thread on X (formerly Twittter) by the Oversight Project needs a thorough and neutral investigation.

https://x.com/OversightPR/status/1815446054428352591

That gun is warm and smoking like a chimney!!! The threads lead to Washington DC, possibly the FBI, New York and Massachusetts.

If JFK's assassination is a guide, the CIA and Secret Service were directly involved with the FBI aiding in the cover up.

[Paladin]

Pennsylvania state police commissioner reveals stunning details about Trump shooting

Minutes, not seconds

A municipal officer came face-to-face with Crooks several minutes before the would-be assassin fired on Trump, Paris testified.

“Eight casings have been recovered.”

Local, state and federal law enforcement were in a unified command post at the rally.

State Police “verbally turned right around and gave it to the Secret Service,” Paris said.

This makes it pretty explicit that the Secret Service had a stand down. They knew about the shooter on the roof ahead of time and did little to nothing until after 8 shots were fired.

[Mike S]

Pennsylvania state police commissioner reveals stunning details about Trump shooting

Minutes, not seconds

A municipal officer came face-to-face with Crooks several minutes before the would-be assassin fired on Trump, Paris testified.

“Eight casings have been recovered.”

Local, state and federal law enforcement were in a unified command post at the rally.

State Police “verbally turned right around and gave it to the Secret Service,” Paris said.

This makes it pretty explicit that the Secret Service had a stand down. They knew about the shooter on the roof ahead of time and did little to nothing until after 8 shots were fired.

I think it's a stretch to say there was a stand down order. From this article:

Paris told lawmakers that Crooks was on the roof for roughly three minutes, correcting a shorter timeframe he gave earlier, but only a few seconds passed between when the officer confronted him and when he fired at Trump

So, dipstick was on the roof for about 3 minutes TOTAL; but these sound bite excerpts by CNN from the testimony DOES NOT say or imply that the snipers had observation of him for 3 minutes. From other reporting & videos that are available, the north & south SS ctr-sniper teams repositioned on their rooftops to orient at the target roof, so I would surmise that the report of a suspicious dipstick on that roof was relayed to them, BUT unless they saw the rifle OR other LEOs reported the weapon or that a lethal threat existed, they wouldn't have had legal justification to snipe him. And that's IF the ctr snipers could even see dipstick at that point. The videos I've seen dipstick was low crawling across the sloped roof.

So, how this article reads to me is that:
- there was a combined ops center with reps from all agencies

- the local SWAT-equivalent was INSIDE the building that was eventually used by dipstick to shoot from; officers observed dipstick acting squirrelly & reported him as a suspicious person, then AGAIN when he was observed using a laser range finder elevating him as more suspicious. This article states that these spot reports were relayed to the local reps in the C2 node, & those reps turned around & info was relayed to the SS who were inside the C2 node.

- two LEOs who were assigned to that building left their post to go search the crowd for dipstick ((Other articles show where the local SWAT snipers were inside that building, BUT on the opposite side of the building covering a different sector. Hence, nobody denying access to the roof dipstick ended up on))

- dipstick climbed up to the roof, observed by civilian Bystanders who pointed it out to officers on the ground ((not in this article, but has been reported since the beginning))

- the shooter was on the roof for about 3 minutes before the LEO was lifted up by his partner & actually observed he had a rifle; officer dropped down when dipstick reportedly pointed rifle at him

- seconds elapsed from the officer seeing dipstick had a rifle and when the first shots were taken towards Trump.

From multiple other sources (or just listening to the shots on the video) from first shots till counter sniper neutralized dipstick, was under 10 seconds. My uncalibrated brain counted about 7 seconds from 1st shot to the 9th shot (9th shot being the sniper ending the threat). Other sources report that only a portion of dipsticks head was visible to the southern sniper tm (not the sniper tm in most of the photos that couldn't see dipstick thru the tree). So, a snap engagement as soon as the shots rang out & part of a head was available, within seconds of initial shots.

Lots of other things that likely will be scathing like skin across a cheese grater when the actual facts come out, but I disagree that there are any indicators of a stand down order.

[Paladin]

It is a CNN article, so we can't put too much weight on it, but the way the article was written it sounded really bad. Perhaps the reality is a bit different than how it was worded when I took that quote. CNN subsequently changed the wording.

[puma guy]

Given the lax security the Biden administration has given Donald Trump, regardless if by design or incompetence, I fear it has provided confidence for success for others to attempt an attack on him. I think they will be another one.

[philip964]

Given the lax security the Biden administration has given Donald Trump, regardless if by design or incompetence, I fear it has provided confidence for success for others to attempt an attack on him. I think they will be another one.

I agree. The crazies or the deep state are not done. My greatest fear now.

Head of FBI not sure Trump was injured by a bullet.

Really.

July 25. 2024

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... tleblower/

Secret Service refused local police drone assistance before assassination attempt. Requested local police drone assistance afterwards.

[puma guy]

I keep asking myself did the shooting occur by design or incompetence. My scale is beginning to tilt toward the former.

[The Annoyed Man]

Pennsylvania state police commissioner reveals stunning details about Trump shooting

Minutes, not seconds

A municipal officer came face-to-face with Crooks several minutes before the would-be assassin fired on Trump, Paris testified.

“Eight casings have been recovered.”

Local, state and federal law enforcement were in a unified command post at the rally.

State Police “verbally turned right around and gave it to the Secret Service,” Paris said.

This makes it pretty explicit that the Secret Service had a stand down. They knew about the shooter on the roof ahead of time and did little to nothing until after 8 shots were fired.

I think it's a stretch to say there was a stand down order. From this article:

Paris told lawmakers that Crooks was on the roof for roughly three minutes, correcting a shorter timeframe he gave earlier, but only a few seconds passed between when the officer confronted him and when he fired at Trump

So, dipstick was on the roof for about 3 minutes TOTAL; but these sound bite excerpts by CNN from the testimony DOES NOT say or imply that the snipers had observation of him for 3 minutes. From other reporting & videos that are available, the north & south SS ctr-sniper teams repositioned on their rooftops to orient at the target roof, so I would surmise that the report of a suspicious dipstick on that roof was relayed to them, BUT unless they saw the rifle OR other LEOs reported the weapon or that a lethal threat existed, they wouldn't have had legal justification to snipe him. And that's IF the ctr snipers could even see dipstick at that point. The videos I've seen dipstick was low crawling across the sloped roof.

So, how this article reads to me is that:
- there was a combined ops center with reps from all agencies

- the local SWAT-equivalent was INSIDE the building that was eventually used by dipstick to shoot from; officers observed dipstick acting squirrelly & reported him as a suspicious person, then AGAIN when he was observed using a laser range finder elevating him as more suspicious. This article states that these spot reports were relayed to the local reps in the C2 node, & those reps turned around & info was relayed to the SS who were inside the C2 node.

- two LEOs who were assigned to that building left their post to go search the crowd for dipstick ((Other articles show where the local SWAT snipers were inside that building, BUT on the opposite side of the building covering a different sector. Hence, nobody denying access to the roof dipstick ended up on))

- dipstick climbed up to the roof, observed by civilian Bystanders who pointed it out to officers on the ground ((not in this article, but has been reported since the beginning))

- the shooter was on the roof for about 3 minutes before the LEO was lifted up by his partner & actually observed he had a rifle; officer dropped down when dipstick reportedly pointed rifle at him

- seconds elapsed from the officer seeing dipstick had a rifle and when the first shots were taken towards Trump.

From multiple other sources (or just listening to the shots on the video) from first shots till counter sniper neutralized dipstick, was under 10 seconds. My uncalibrated brain counted about 7 seconds from 1st shot to the 9th shot (9th shot being the sniper ending the threat). Other sources report that only a portion of dipsticks head was visible to the southern sniper tm (not the sniper tm in most of the photos that couldn't see dipstick thru the tree). So, a snap engagement as soon as the shots rang out & part of a head was available, within seconds of initial shots.

Lots of other things that likely will be scathing like skin across a cheese grater when the actual facts come out, but I disagree that there are any indicators of a stand down order.

Worth watching:

[PriestTheRunner]

I keep asking myself did the shooting occur by design or incompetence. My scale is beginning to tilt toward the former.

You need to realize, both together is a more probable likelihood than only design. A plan that exploits known deficiencies is more plausible than some sort of plan to cause deficiencies.

The question is, who helped? Convenient that the phone was immediately confiscated by FBI.

[Paladin]

New video shows police knew of clear and present danger long before shots fired:

Cops Around Building with Weapons Drawn Two Minutes Before Shooting

[philip964]

https://x.com/basedtorba/status/1818311 ... 74188?s=46

Apparently FBI deputy director Paul Abbate said something to Congress that was different from the evidence the FBI has about the shooters social media account.

Is that lying?

He said Crooks posted anti immigration and antisemitic posts, instead of pro immigration, pro lockdown and Pro Brandon per Crooks actual social media posts on GAB.

The owner of GAB is not playing ball with the FBI and released what he received and gave them.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 51352.html

New SS Director was instrumental in denying resources to Trump’s protection team.

[Greybeard]

A few hours ago, I read a headline for an article in the Washington Post that indicated a local cop took a shot at the kid and interrupted his shooting. It's one of those "subscription only" things, which I do not do. Hopefully, another news outlet will follow up on that.

Also, I am still trying to get facts on exactly which sniper team actuallytook out the kid. On one of the post incident reports there was a notation of a "Washington County" sniper location. It is in line with what was mentioned as "wooden bleachers" in the video posted above.

[Mike S]

A few hours ago, I read a headline for an article in the Washington Post that indicated a local cop took a shot at the kid and interrupted his shooting. It's one of those "subscription only" things, which I do not do. Hopefully, another news outlet will follow up on that.

Also, I am still trying to get facts on exactly which sniper team actuallytook out the kid. On one of the post incident reports there was a notation of a "Washington County" sniper location. It is in line with what was mentioned as "wooden bleachers" in the video posted above.

Somehow I clicked around the payroll. From that article:

The local officer who shot at Crooks was assigned to a barn behind and to the north of the rally stage, along with a counterassault and quick-reaction force team from Butler County, the local law enforcement official said.

The officer, who was not a sniper, had left the barn and was outside on the ground nearby when Crooks began firing from the rooftop about 110 yards away, the official said. The local officer saw the muzzle flashes from Crooks’s rifle, the official said, and fired his rifle at Crooks.

Article says there's no indication that this officer struck the gunman, but that this single shot disrupted his attack cycle & made him reposition slightly. 10 seconds later the ctr sniper fired a single shot that killed him.

Regarding which SS Ctr Sniper tm shot him, I believe it was the one on the southern barn roof. The only mention of the wooden bleachers 400 yds away I've seen is the one video above.

Here's an image from the Washington Post article depicting where the local officer fired from:

[Greybeard]

Mike - Thanks for the research and reply. That also sort of explains MAYBE why they counted 5 casings at first then upped to 8 total later.