What Stance do you shoot from

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What stance do you use

weaver
1
4%
Modified weaver
18
64%
Isosceles
9
32%
 
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Paladin wrote:
Bubba wrote:And what position do you shoot from a vehicle ?
Moving ?
Parked ?
Something to think about because it poses another set of problems.
It seems like shooting to the rear from the passenger side is the most awkward. The driver's side is much more natural.



Agreed, drivers side (for righties) is much easier. But righties shooting out of the passenger side window are not "out of the fight".

For what its worth, here is how I do this one:

1. Just like from the drivers side (time permitting) we want to clear the seat belt, so we can move more freely. In this case, your weapon is not covered as badly by the seatbelt. (A coat, or other covering garment.. should always be pulled free of the seatbelt as soon as you put your belt on, so this shouldn't be a problem.) Still, we can release the belt a little easier from this side. In this case, you can reach down with your left hand, disengage the belt from the buckle and simply toss it toward your strong side. This allows you to start accessing your weapon right away, so you don't lose any time.

2. As in the other case, you'll need to lean forward a little bit to make getting to your weapon easier.

3. The draw is a little different, because we will be shooting one handed (yes... one handed beyond 2 O'Clock). Don't try to shoot weak hand (left hand) in this circumstance. When you draw, go ahead and meet your weak hand in a close quarters retention position. (pistol pointed straight ahead, both hands on the pistol, at a line just below the pectoral muscle).

4. The presentation: To shoot at your 1 and 2 O'Clock, simply "push" the weapon out the window at the target (using both hands) and Isosceles. Yup, I said Isosceles. ISO, in this case.. will give the best recoil control.

5. Now, from your 3 O'Clock back to your 5 O'Clock your best bet is to shoot "one handed" using the following technique: Begin your presentation (out the window) using both hands, cross your left foot over your right. At the point (roughly 2 O'Clock) that your shoulder begins to bind, let your weak side hand (palm flat) slide down the inside of your strong arm, as the strong arm swings toward the rear. Do not lose contact with your arm. The Strong side arm is a "highway" for the weak side hand to follow. Your weak side hand will end up slightly under the armpit of the strong side arm and act as support. "Cant" your gun arm to your left, about 15 degrees (this relaxes the shoulder and allows more extension to the rear). It also allows you to obtain a good sight picture while exposing the least amount of your head to the threat.

Give it a try, you'll be surprised how well you can shoot one handed this way. Recoil recovery will be slower one handed, and "limp wristing" can get you into trouble, so take a good grip.

Have fun.

Flint.
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Easy. If you're wearing body armor, isosceles. If not, Weaver or whatever. I think that along with stance, proper use of cover should be considered. Any serious shooter will be able to shoot accurately from any stance, and recoil really shouldn't be an issue if you put the proper amount of thought into your CCW. Just my 2 cents.
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Two good instructions flint. These are printed off & will be incorporated into my practice. Mental & physical. Thanks.
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ShootNMove wrote:Easy. If you're wearing body armor, isosceles. If not, Weaver or whatever. I think that along with stance, proper use of cover should be considered. Any serious shooter will be able to shoot accurately from any stance, and recoil really shouldn't be an issue if you put the proper amount of thought into your CCW. Just my 2 cents.
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longtooth wrote:Shootingstar, I doubt anyone here will be argumentative. You guys that shoot IPSC are not training for anyone shooting back at you or trying to stab you.:)

I have to agree with the above.

I think any kind of shooting is better than none, and much can be learned by shooting in any of the organized "clubs".

Personally, I quit shooting IPSC back in the late 80's when the "practical" part of it "got up and left". But, thats a discussion for another day.

As someone correctly pointed out, all of the most successful shooters in IPSC shoot Isosceles. This in no way proves it is superior to "Weaver" in regards to self defense. It would however, tend to support the idea that it makes for a solid shooting platform for "games". It also has some "real world" value in any situation that allows you to "square up" to your target.

Most people (with normal mobility) can also "turret" about 90 degrees to either side, giving effective coverage of about 180 degrees (on your front side). Under these circumstances, it is quick, stable, and provides good resistance to recoil. Take these circumstances away though, and we will need to take an honest look at how "versatile" it really is (or isn't).

And before someone points out that "Rob Leatham" shoots this "style", so... it must be the BEST, let me remind you that Rob Leatham, Brian Enos, Doug Koenig, Jerry Miculek...(and others), can shoot one handed...with both eyes closed, faster and more accurately than anyone reading here tonight. Isosceles, didn't make them champions, they just found it to be a useful tool for what they do.

IMO, Weaver or Modified Weaver offers more versatility, when you consider all of the variables of day to day life. It is a "fighting" posture that allows for very quick transitions to nearly any angle while retaining good balance. There is no doubt in my mind.. that it is better (for most people) when moving.

I shoot all three of the "styles" listed in the poll and more. No single style will be ideal under all circumstances. This is why I will respectfully disagree with the post that suggested it is "easy, body armor...Isosceles, without...Weaver". If you restrict yourself to one shooting style then you are like a Boxer with just one "good punch". When you meet up with your first "skilled" boxer, he's gonna clean your clock!

All of the shooting styles have their proper place and application. All have Pro's and Con's, merits and de-merits. I think the best anyone could hope to glean from these conversations is this: Try out several of the shooting styles, adopt those features of each... that YOU find beneficial for your personal defense strategy. And last.....HAVE A STRATEGY!


Good shooting & God Bless!
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