Friend stopped by DPS and scolded

[wrinkles]

I agree with the post saying it's common courtesy to show your CHL. I also think that respect goes both ways, treat people with respect in order to gain respect.

The point I've tried to drive home here is this LEO said it was required by law that he notify him of CHL status even if not carrying and that the instructor was wrong and should be told so.

[shaggydog]

My analogy about Mr. Anygun's grammer WAS relative to the original post and was NOT simply a correction of his grammatical error.

Apparently my point about being confrontational rather than "polite" was well made.

[flintknapper]

My analogy about Mr. Anygun's grammer WAS relative to the original post and was NOT simply a correction of his grammatical error.

Apparently my point about being confrontational rather than "polite" was well made.

Then again, you may have simply been "incorrect" on both accounts.



Shaggydog wrote:

I can adhere to the canons of education and admonish your use of a word that does not exist.

ir•re•gard•less ˌɪr ɪˈgɑrd lɪs - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ir-i-gahrd-lis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb Nonstandard.
REGARDLESS.

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[Origin: 1910–15; IR-2 (prob. after irrespective) + REGARDLESS ]

—Usage note IRREGARDLESS is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. IRREGARDLESS first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


I believe we all understood what Anygun was trying to convey.

[Liberty]

ir•re•gard•less ˌɪr ɪˈgɑrd lɪs - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ir-i-gahrd-lis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb Nonstandard.
REGARDLESS.

________________________________________
[Origin: 1910–15; IR-2 (prob. after irrespective) + REGARDLESS ]

—Usage note IRREGARDLESS is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. IRREGARDLESS first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


I believe we all understood what Anygun was trying to convey.

Was that an English Dictionaary an American Dictionary or a Texas Dictionary.
While "irregardless" might not be concidered standard English in much of the world, This is Texas and a Texas forum and we make our own rules. As far as I can tell in this part of the world most folks accept Irregardless as standard Texspeak.

I hope I've been pretty clear to y'all.

[flintknapper]

ir•re•gard•less ˌɪr ɪˈgɑrd lɪs - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ir-i-gahrd-lis] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb Nonstandard.
REGARDLESS.

________________________________________
[Origin: 1910–15; IR-2 (prob. after irrespective) + REGARDLESS ]

—Usage note IRREGARDLESS is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. IRREGARDLESS first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


I believe we all understood what Anygun was trying to convey.

Was that an English Dictionaary an American Dictionary or a Texas Dictionary.
While "irregardless" might not be concidered standard English in much of the world, This is Texas and a Texas forum and we make our own rules. As far as I can tell in this part of the world most folks accept Irregardless as standard Texspeak.

I hope I've been pretty clear to y'all.

It was this dictionary (as I posted):

Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

We are on the same page Liberty. My post was to shaggydog, and my "point" was: There is indeed a word "irregardless", although it is often times misused.

The second point was: We all understood what anygun was trying to say...and "perfect" English (and sentence structure) is NOT required here in order to participate. I certainly hope no one is "grading" anything I write here. I will be the first to tell you...I possess something less than "a great command" of the English language.

[Liberty]

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We are on the same page Liberty. My post was to shaggydog, and my "point" was: There is indeed a word "irregardless", although it is often times misused.

The second point was: We all understood what anygun was trying to say...and "perfect" English (and sentence structure) is NOT required here in order to participate. I certainly hope no one is "grading" anything I write here. I will be the first to tell you...I possess something less than "a great command" of the English language.

We usually are all on the same page. and My tongue was planted so firmly in my cheek that I poked a hole in it.
But I will have to disagree with you on one thing. I don't know bookwise how perfect your command of the English language is, but very few folks express themselves so clearly.

[centex aggie]

I was informed as to always show it as a courtesy.

[lawrnk]

I was also told and have read that if I don't have a gun with me I don't have to let the office know that I have a CHL.

Why would you NOT show your CHL along with your DL even if you are not armed?

As you can see, the LEO is going to find out that you have one anyway therefore, go ahead and extend him/her the courtesy of letting them know up front.

Because he does not legally have to??? (just a guess)

But likely signifigantly increases the odds of a ticket. I'm not being a smart aleck, but I do many things I'm not obligated to do, but the courtesy can pay it back.

[ChromeBumper]

At least he didn't get charged with UCL: Unweaponed Carrying of a Licence

[KBCraig]

Why would you NOT show your CHL along with your DL even if you are not armed?

There's no obligation to carry the plastic unless you're carrying a gun.

While most of us keep our wallets configured the same all the time, some folks --particularly the ladyfolk-- do vary things from day to day.

For that matter, there's no obligation to carry a DL unless you're driving.

[shaggydog]

There's no obligation to carry the plastic unless you're carrying a gun.

While most of us keep our wallets configured the same all the time, some folks --particularly the ladyfolk-- do vary things from day to day.

For that matter, there's no obligation to carry a DL unless you're driving.

I understand all of that but my original point was that once stopped for whatever motor vehicle infraction, and your DL is presented, the LEO is, in almost every case, going to find out that you are a CHL holder. At that point he is probably going to assume that you are armed and will probably bring it up when he returns to your vehicle.

Therefore, why not go ahead and, at the very onset, present your CHL and inform the LEO that you are, at that moment, weaponless thereby eliminating the possability of any confusion?

Or one can invoke the puerile mantra “I don’t have to and you can’t make me�.

[anygunanywhere]

Yes it is polite to present your CHL even if not packing.

Yes I probably will if the need arises.

No it is not required by law that you do so.

LEO should not get their panties in a wad if you decide not to since it is not illegal and it should not prompt a confrontation.

Anygunanywhere

[KBCraig]

Or one can invoke the puerile mantra “I don’t have to and you can’t make me�.

Yes, rights and adherence to the law are soooo childish.

[srothstein]

For that matter, there's no obligation to carry a DL unless you're driving.

This one is debatable for a CHL. While no one else is ever required to carry a DL when they are not driving in Texas (or even then if they show it to the magistrate later), a CHL is required to provide both a DL and his CHL when asked for ID. I know the law was written figuring that most people would encounter a peace officer when they were driving, but it technically would still apply if you were stopped while walking down the aisle of the grocery store.

I am curious what would happen if someone had the CHL but no DL in just such a case. I keep hoping no cop would be so stupid as to file this charge, but there is the thread from the other forum referencing disarming people. Every profession has it share of idiots.

[Liberty]

For that matter, there's no obligation to carry a DL unless you're driving.

This one is debatable for a CHL. While no one else is ever required to carry a DL when they are not driving in Texas (or even then if they show it to the magistrate later), a CHL is required to provide both a DL and his CHL when asked for ID. I know the law was written figuring that most people would encounter a peace officer when they were driving, but it technically would still apply if you were stopped while walking down the aisle of the grocery store.

I am curious what would happen if someone had the CHL but no DL in just such a case. I keep hoping no cop would be so stupid as to file this charge, but there is the thread from the other forum referencing disarming people. Every profession has it share of idiots.

While this and several other issues have never been resolved by the courts. One could take it as a good sign on the quality of both Texas LEOs and CHLers.