Its not over yet!

[Jason73]

wesley1962 wrote:
I had a child born aboard a NATO airbase in Iceland and she was given an Icelandic birth certificate and a Report of Birth Abroad by the Navy hospital at that base. Her U.S. citizenship is based on the citizenship of her parents and both of us are U.S. citizens by birth................

It is not an apple and orange comparison. The base, while conducting NATO missions and referred to by all as a NATO site, was in fact U.S. Naval Air Station Keflavik. This makes the comparison 100 percent accurate. Many bases function under the guise of NATO but are in fact ran by the military of one specific nation.

One of my wife's brothers was born at that same base in 1978. He was listed as having been born in Iceland but is legally classified as a US Citizen born on American soil. Perhaps the laws have changed in the time since his birth, but back then thats how it was.

[The Annoyed Man]

I have to admit that I agree with Annoyed Man on this issue. Obama is a natural born citizen since his mother was a citizen and all the rest is smoke and mirrors. But now I am curious as to why the SCOTUS would want to look further into it. I am going to have to read some breifs if I can and research it further.

Not necessarily. I was born in a civilian hospital in Seoul to my dad, who was in the Army, and my mother was a South Korean citizen. As I was born premature, and the only two incubators in all of South Korea at the time were in a civilian hospital, that's where I was born. Because I was not born on a US military base, even though my dad is American, I was born a South Korean citizen and am now a naturalized US citizen, not a natural born US citizen. Therefore, I can't run for President.

Just because one of your parents is American doesn't mean you automatically are if you're born on foreign soil. Note that US military installations abroad are considered American soil, as are embassies.

Interesting... In my particular case, I was born in a private French hospital in Casablanca, Morocco. My father was a native born American citizen (born in Bismarck, North Dakota), and my mother was French. However, at that time (and I assume it continues today), treaties existed between the U.S. and France which permitted dual citizenship. Therefore, even though I was born with French citizenship by virtue of both having a French mother and being born in what was at the time French territory, I am also a natural born U.S. citizen.

In fact according to one treaty between France and the U.S., military service for either[i/] nation by a dual citizen would fulfill any military obligations for both nations. At the time I was of military service age, we still had a draft (my lottery number was 339 in 1970), and France had mandatory military service for all 18 year olds. I was never drafted nor did I serve in any branch of the U.S. military. At the time, that meant that I was required to serve in the French army - although I didn't know it at the time. I've lived almost my entire life in the U.S.; consider myself an American; and speak with bit of a southern drawl. In the 1980s, one of my two younger brothers and I learned that we had been tried in absentia in France for draft evasion, and sentenced to prison. It required filling out a bunch of paperwork for the French Consul in Los Angeles to get rid of the problem. In true French fashion, rather than admit that they had made a mistake, they simply changed their paperwork to show that we had been drafted, and then released. So somewhere in a French archive, there exists a record of my military service in the French army, even though I have no recollection of it.

Go figure... It's a French thing...

Anyway, the bottom line is that I was, indeed, born on foreign soil, in a foreign hospital, of an American father and French mother, and I am still a natural born citizen. But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

[GrillKing]

But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

Uh, more so than the President-Elect

[John]

But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

Uh, more so than the President-Elect

Uh, i think i read somewhere that The Annoyed Man inhaled.

[phoneguy]

Knowing the court in recent years can swing to the touchy-feeley, instead of the strictly legal/constitutional, even if they agreed with the position, they would not overturn Obama's election because of the civil unrest it would cause.

If they do not and it truly is unconstitutional for him to be potus then there should be civil unrest! If they allow that then who thinks they will not think twice about burning the rest of the constitution??

Preaching to choir here pal.

Unfortunately, the SCOTUS has a history in recent years of not exactly following the Constitution, or at very least applying VERY loose interpretations of what it means. There is nothing in there about a "right to privacy", but that was the justification for Roe v Wade. In Kelo, the court decided that an increase in tax base, meant there was a public benefit, the same as public use, therefor it's ok to take the private property of one citizen, to give to another citizen. (by the way, that hotel was never built, but Ms Kelo is still out of her home). The court ruled that it's OK to limit political speech in the weeks leading up to an election via campaign finance reform. At lease one Justice has stated that the court should be using international law and opinion in ruling on cases, not just the Constitution.

There ain't much left to burn.

[flintknapper]

Interesting... In my particular case, I was born in a private French hospital in Casablanca, Morocco. My father was a native born American citizen (born in Bismarck, North Dakota), and my mother was French. However, at that time (and I assume it continues today), treaties existed between the U.S. and France which permitted dual citizenship. Therefore, even though I was born with French citizenship by virtue of both having a French mother and being born in what was at the time French territory, I am also a natural born U.S. citizen.

In fact according to one treaty between France and the U.S., military service for either[i/] nation by a dual citizen would fulfill any military obligations for both nations. At the time I was of military service age, we still had a draft (my lottery number was 339 in 1970), and France had mandatory military service for all 18 year olds. I was never drafted nor did I serve in any branch of the U.S. military. At the time, that meant that I was required to serve in the French army - although I didn't know it at the time. I've lived almost my entire life in the U.S.; consider myself an American; and speak with bit of a southern drawl. In the 1980s, one of my two younger brothers and I learned that we had been tried in absentia in France for draft evasion, and sentenced to prison. It required filling out a bunch of paperwork for the French Consul in Los Angeles to get rid of the problem. In true French fashion, rather than admit that they had made a mistake, they simply changed their paperwork to show that we had been drafted, and then released. So somewhere in a French archive, there exists a record of my military service in the French army, even though I have no recollection of it.

Go figure... It's a French thing...

Anyway, the bottom line is that I was, indeed, born on foreign soil, in a foreign hospital, of an American father and French mother, and I am still a natural born citizen. But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

You might actually have some medals you don't know about.

[phoneguy]

I have to admit that I agree with Annoyed Man on this issue. Obama is a natural born citizen since his mother was a citizen and all the rest is smoke and mirrors. But now I am curious as to why the SCOTUS would want to look further into it. I am going to have to read some breifs if I can and research it further.

Not necessarily. I was born in a civilian hospital in Seoul to my dad, who was in the Army, and my mother was a South Korean citizen. As I was born premature, and the only two incubators in all of South Korea at the time were in a civilian hospital, that's where I was born. Because I was not born on a US military base, even though my dad is American, I was born a South Korean citizen and am now a naturalized US citizen, not a natural born US citizen. Therefore, I can't run for President.

Just because one of your parents is American doesn't mean you automatically are if you're born on foreign soil. Note that US military installations abroad are considered American soil, as are embassies.

Interesting... In my particular case, I was born in a private French hospital in Casablanca, Morocco. My father was a native born American citizen (born in Bismarck, North Dakota), and my mother was French. However, at that time (and I assume it continues today), treaties existed between the U.S. and France which permitted dual citizenship. Therefore, even though I was born with French citizenship by virtue of both having a French mother and being born in what was at the time French territory, I am also a natural born U.S. citizen.

In fact according to one treaty between France and the U.S., military service for either[i/] nation by a dual citizen would fulfill any military obligations for both nations. At the time I was of military service age, we still had a draft (my lottery number was 339 in 1970), and France had mandatory military service for all 18 year olds. I was never drafted nor did I serve in any branch of the U.S. military. At the time, that meant that I was required to serve in the French army - although I didn't know it at the time. I've lived almost my entire life in the U.S.; consider myself an American; and speak with bit of a southern drawl. In the 1980s, one of my two younger brothers and I learned that we had been tried in absentia in France for draft evasion, and sentenced to prison. It required filling out a bunch of paperwork for the French Consul in Los Angeles to get rid of the problem. In true French fashion, rather than admit that they had made a mistake, they simply changed their paperwork to show that we had been drafted, and then released. So somewhere in a French archive, there exists a record of my military service in the French army, even though I have no recollection of it.

Go figure... It's a French thing...

Don't you remember, you joined the French Army and immediately surrendered.

[KD5NRH]

You might actually have some medals you don't know about.

I was just thinking he should see if he's eligible for any veteran's benefits. Now that would be amusing.

[The Annoyed Man]

But like I said earlier... you don't want me for president anyway.

Uh, more so than the President-Elect

Uh, i think i read somewhere that The Annoyed Man inhaled.

Hey man, I enjoyed the '60s and '70s... OK?

That's why you don't want me for president. I might do something crazy like legalize all firearms and nuke Iran.

[John]

It's not over yet, revisited: http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/election ... 87804.html

This just will not die.

Former Obama opponent now suing to prove President-elect's citizenship
By Rich Rogers rrogers@nbcaugusta.com and NBC Augusta Staff
Story Published: Nov 18, 2008 at 9:52 AM EST

SACRAMENTO, Calif.- A former opponent of Barack Obama's has come back to haunt him over questions regarding Obama's citizenship.

According to a press release from the American Independent Party, former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and other members of the party have filed suit in California Superior Court in Sacramento to stop the state from giving its electoral votes to President-elect Barack Obama until documentary evidence is provided to prove Obama is indeed a natural born citizen of the United States.

Keyes also ran against Obama as a Republican for the U.S. Senate seat in Illinois in 2004. Obama won that election to serve his first and only term in the U.S. Senate.

The Obama campaign countered similar accusations early in 2008 by posting Obama's birth certificate online, and saying: "Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America."

NBC Augusta has obtained a copy of that birth certificate.

[stevie_d_64]

That's why you don't want me for president. I might do something crazy like legalize all firearms and nuke Iran.

Only if I get to push the button...I'll take the moral hit for that one...

[Frost]

Anyone know whats going on? My google skills fail me.

No. 08-570
Dec 23 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.
Jan 12 2009 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson GRANTED.
Jan 12 2009 Petition DENIED.

[fredtubbs]

Anyone know whats going on? My google skills fail me.

No. 08-570
Dec 23 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 16, 2009.
Jan 12 2009 Motion for leave to file amicus brief filed by Bill Anderson GRANTED.
Jan 12 2009 Petition DENIED.

This is Berg's website and has the details of his efforts in SCOTUS http://obamacrimes.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Frost]

Thanks.