Illegal 30.06 signs

[ewhite]

OK I have searched but can not find what I am wanting to know.

How many of you ignore illegal 30.06 signs?

I talked to a guy who prints these signs for people and he intentionally makes the signs the wrong size. He is also a CHL holder and says this way he does not have to worry about getting busted. He says the law is very strict to the exact size and dimensions of the letters. I can see how if the sign is not legal... I do not have my CHL yet but was wondering how you guys handle it.

[Morgan]

Ignore non compliant signs. At least that is my intention as soon as I have my permit.

[CainA]

Ignore non compliant signs. At least that is my intention as soon as I have my permit.

I think that's pretty much the consensus.

-Cain

[ewhite]

That is what I thought, I was just curious. At least according to him, if places order signs from him, unless they specify the exact deminsions, text size, wording, and all according to what the law states, they will always be non compliant...

[CainA]

I'm surprised that whoever this guy is making signs for hasn't snapped to the fact that they're not legal. But then again, they're probably not clued in on CHL laws, other than knowing that they need to post a sign of some sort to keep the gun toters out. It's all about the details.

-Cain

[Morgan]

it's not that the signs aren't legal, it's that they don't constitute legal notification. There's nothing illegal about having a sign that everyone can ignore. The best way I heard it was "I don't stop for 12 sided purple signs that say 'HALT' either."

[CainA]

That was my jist, you said it better than I.

-Cain

[Morgan]

Ah...sorry. See, I personally think it's awesome that a CHL carrier is selling signs that are not legal notice. Think about it. ;)

[CainA]

Me too. In fact, I find humor in the irony of it.

-Cain

[AggieC05]

while i understand what he is doing.. something in me says this is morally wrong.....
not ignoring the illegal 30.06 signs but a guy knowingly selling them non compliant signs....

I know when I order things I expect them to be complaint with specs.. take any of the guns you own. When you order a gun do you go and research ever spec of the gun and send them a list of each exact spec of barrel spacing, which trigger, wait make sure you use that the right magazine...

Just seems like bad business and morally wrong to me. I hate 30.06 signs as much as you guys, but this is not the right way to go about not following them.....

[kitty]

while i understand what he is doing.. something in me says this is morally wrong.....
not ignoring the illegal 30.06 signs but a guy knowingly selling them non compliant signs....

I know when I order things I expect them to be complaint with specs.. take any of the guns you own. When you order a gun do you go and research ever spec of the gun and send them a list of each exact spec of barrel spacing, which trigger, wait make sure you use that the right magazine...

Just seems like bad business and morally wrong to me. I hate 30.06 signs as much as you guys, but this is not the right way to go about not following them.....

I have to agree here. This guy is knowingly deceiving his clients. I think it's unethical what he's doing. I understand why he's doing it, but it's still wrong. He's getting paid to do a job right, not to give his clients the shaft. Maybe instead of intentionally printing them incorrectly he could just say he won't print them, or try to educate the people having them printed up.

[ewhite]

while i understand what he is doing.. something in me says this is morally wrong.....
not ignoring the illegal 30.06 signs but a guy knowingly selling them non compliant signs....

I know when I order things I expect them to be complaint with specs.. take any of the guns you own. When you order a gun do you go and research ever spec of the gun and send them a list of each exact spec of barrel spacing, which trigger, wait make sure you use that the right magazine...

Just seems like bad business and morally wrong to me. I hate 30.06 signs as much as you guys, but this is not the right way to go about not following them.....

I feel that if the places orderiung the signs actually cared they would know exactly what the size of the sign would be and what exactly it would say. I beleive the sign size would have to be 3'X2' to be totally legal, and most business' who have them are larger and the managers are just told from corporate that they need a sign. OK here you go. He says that if they ask for it in the way the law prescribes he gives it to them, but he has only had a couple that knew anything about what it should say or even what size it should be. I say if you are going to order something that is a law, that is going to be posted on your business, then you better know what you are putting out there.

[anygunanywhere]

while i understand what he is doing.. something in me says this is morally wrong.....
not ignoring the illegal 30.06 signs but a guy knowingly selling them non compliant signs....

I know when I order things I expect them to be complaint with specs.. take any of the guns you own. When you order a gun do you go and research ever spec of the gun and send them a list of each exact spec of barrel spacing, which trigger, wait make sure you use that the right magazine...

Just seems like bad business and morally wrong to me. I hate 30.06 signs as much as you guys, but this is not the right way to go about not following them.....

I have to agree here. This guy is knowingly deceiving his clients. I think it's unethical what he's doing. I understand why he's doing it, but it's still wrong. He's getting paid to do a job right, not to give his clients the shaft. Maybe instead of intentionally printing them incorrectly he could just say he won't print them, or try to educate the people having them printed up.

The truly unethical part of this whole discussion is that anyone would infringe on anyone's RKBA by posting any sign forbidding free men from exercising their constitutional rights.

The people purchasing the signs can read the law. Buyer beware.

Why care that someone willing to deny you your rights is being ripped off?

Anygunanywhere

[kitty]

while i understand what he is doing.. something in me says this is morally wrong.....
not ignoring the illegal 30.06 signs but a guy knowingly selling them non compliant signs....

I know when I order things I expect them to be complaint with specs.. take any of the guns you own. When you order a gun do you go and research ever spec of the gun and send them a list of each exact spec of barrel spacing, which trigger, wait make sure you use that the right magazine...

Just seems like bad business and morally wrong to me. I hate 30.06 signs as much as you guys, but this is not the right way to go about not following them.....

I have to agree here. This guy is knowingly deceiving his clients. I think it's unethical what he's doing. I understand why he's doing it, but it's still wrong. He's getting paid to do a job right, not to give his clients the shaft. Maybe instead of intentionally printing them incorrectly he could just say he won't print them, or try to educate the people having them printed up.

The truly unethical part of this whole discussion is that anyone would infringe on anyone's RKBA by posting any sign forbidding free men from exercising their constitutional rights.

The people purchasing the signs can read the law. Buyer beware.

Why care that someone willing to deny you your rights is being ripped off?

Anygunanywhere

How are they denying me my rights? They're a private entity, and they have the right to post the signs, whether I agree with it or not. It's my right not give them my business, but any business who intentionally rips off his customers is a bad business man/woman. What else is he doing to rip his customers off?

Edit to add: Educating these businesses would be better than deception.

[anygunanywhere]

Kitty, not wanting to drift this thread, but there have been several discussions recently that essentially insist that what I have on my pereson is not the concern of any business. They have no right under any sort of private property ideology to tell me what I can or cannot strap to my person and carry concealed.

Anygunanywhere