Fry's Electronics Has a Vinyl No Weapons or Firearms Allowed

[carlson1]

With TX on this on this one also . . .

[wrt45]

I agree totally. If someone from the store wants to go through my personal property, it must be because they think I've stolen something. I haven't, so they can take a long walk..........

If its about inventory control, then close off the registers so that once I've paid and exited, I'm done. I don't have time to stand in line, check out, and proceed to stand in line again to exit.

Why not put those "minimally employed" persons (as someone refered to them) to work helping those who need help carrying their purchases? That would be a far more productive use of their labor, in my mind.

[jbirds1210]

[j1132s]

Just to stay on topic, I didn't see any firearm signs at the Frys in Austin.

Now for checking receipts:

Also, I have no problems w/ some guy (usually 20-30 year olds doing the checking at this Frys) checking my receipt at Fry's. I just hand him the receipt and open my bag. Each check takes just a second or two. I've never lined up to show them my receipt though, and they never asked me to stop when there's a line.

What I really hate is Costco receipt checking. Now there's a store that's strict about it... and worse, everybody has carts full of stuff.

If you think about it, in some way, the receipt checking may be saving you money... Assuming the store has to pay the checker some wage, the savings to the store is probably > his wage, and hopefully some parts of it gets passed to you (for your slight delay by the checker).

[rgoldy]

Folks, this is not worth arguing about. If you do not want to cooperate with the procedure, then don't. I would doubt that it will have any repercussions one way or the other. But, I don't see why anyone would think it incumbent to protest the "invasion" by taking it out on the poor schmuck stuck on door duty with tricks. Comply, or don't comply, I really do not care. If the store management thinks you are stealing I would think that a check of the receipt would be the least invasive contact you will experience. If you think the employee would be more productive elsewhere in the store, let the management know. I doubt seriously that the person volunteered for that position.
I carry, I show the receipt. I take the receipt with me since if I have to return the stuff for some reason, they will ask for it, and it might have personal information that I would prefer not to have in a stranger's hands.

[carlson1]

Has anyone notice how our rights are slowly evaporating under the name of "safety, procedures, cooperation, etc. . ."

[Diode]

Has anyone notice how our rights are slowly evaporating under the name of "safety, procedures, cooperation, etc. . ."

Sadly your very much correct. I need to go read George Orwell's Animal Farm again.... that was the name of the book , right? I was so young :)

[wrt45]

Has anyone notice how our rights are slowly evaporating under the name of "safety, procedures, cooperation, etc. . ."

The only thing I disagree with is the word "slowly." I think they're sliding down the hill pretty quickly!

[jimlongley]

"I was just there and took shameless glee in confusing the young kid checking bags at the exit. "

I missed something...this is evidence of exactly which attribute of character, intelligence, or social grace that you are reflecting upon with such pride?

As I have never publicly called someone a moron, I will not do so now, as it appears obvious that the poster's comments fail to meet the threshold for that designation.

Would you mind indicating where I called someone a moron?

I feel that it is invasive to be checking me on the way out, and even more so to INSIST on handling my items. I just finished paying for them not 50 feet away, with no chance to detour back into the store to steal something. And the brusque manner in which one is stopped and submitted to interrogation gets my dander up too.

This kid came over and said "...see your receipt?" I have no idea what he started off saying, he was not facing me directly and I have hearing problems. I showed him my receipt and he reached out and tried to take it out of my hand, which is impolite. He didn't ask to have it or hold it, he just asked to see it. And then there was the bag, similar issues.

I see this whole thing as an indication that they either think I am stealing something, they even have a sign posted on the rostrum, where the kid was supposed to be standing, saying something to that effect, but with all of the cameras and high tech gadgetry they have, they have no reason to stop me, or anyone else, it's tantamount to harassment, and I reserve my right to react to their harassment in whatever manner I see fit.

It's the same tyoe of thing at Sam's Club, where I refuse to wait in line for the checkers to check things. I have paid for those items, and I don't care if I am still on their property, what I have paid for is my property and they have no right to it. If they would like to meet me in the parking lot and accuse me of theft, I'll be happy to wait for the police to come and to file whatever reports and such when they prove to be wrong. So far I have had three different Sam's Club checkers tell me that it was a "rule of membership" but they haven't been able to show me the rule on paper, and all three have told me that my membership would be terminated for non-compliance, but I have yet to receive any notice of that.

In the meantime, the Fry's in Plano has no postings that I have noted, which is the only reaosn I will deign to shop there, and only then when I have found out about a deal that I can't find elsewhere.

[John]

I try to stay away from places that feel the need to “check� my purchases on the way out. They already have cameras, passive detection at the exit door, and flow control beyond the check out station. Beyond all of these measures, searching me on the way out just adds insult. I did ignore one of the bag checkers at Best Buy once and no one chased me outside. As to being rude, well, I think the policy is rude; therefore, I go elsewhere. I do, however, make and exception for Sam’s. Sam's does not use bags and there is no flow control at the exit, so I can understand them wanting to make sure one has a receipt.

[repsychler]

If there's no line, I'll usually just show the Fry's guy my receipt. If there is a line, I'll walk right past it, because I see no reason to stop.
At Sam's and Costco I stop, simply because it is a private club.

[tomneal]

I don't do business with stores that search their customers on the way out, because I believe that it is just one more way Americans are being desensitized into giving up their 4th amendment rights.

Here in Houston, I have quit doing business with CompUSA, Best Buy, and Frys.

I see absolutely no benefit to me, in complying with the "Theft Checker" at the door.

How do I tell my children not to allow "Officer Friendly" to search their car at a traffic stop, if they see me routinely allow my papers and my property to be searched without probable cause or a warrant by "Theft Checkers" at stores.

[Papalote]

I agree. Once I have paid for the items, they are personal property. Why aggitate me for their benefit. I generally comply but I do my best not to do business with them. Sometimes I have to. The issue should be taken up with the manager of the store not the door guy.

Back to the real issue and clarification. Because the sign is not as posted as described in the CHL handbook, it is invalid?

Papalote

[Greybeard]

I recall the way DPS lawyer at instructor renewal skul put it a few years back. To the effect of "I'm not saying you could not be prosecuted. They would just have a difficult time prosecuting SUCCESSFULLY."

Except maybe in Travis County.

[KBCraig]

As I have never publicly called someone a moron, I will not do so now, as it appears obvious that the poster's comments fail to meet the threshold for that designation.

Would you mind indicating where I called someone a moron?

Jim, AV8R didn't accuse you of calling someone a moron. He said you don't rise to the level of moron.

As for the original topic: no, such signs do not apply to CHLs.

As for the bigger issue: Sam's is the only place I have any tolerance for these checks, because they only count the number of your unbagged items, instead of comparing them to the receipt.

At other stores, especially if I pay with a card, I immediately stick the receipt in my wallet. I do not dig it out just because someone is employed to check it.

I will show a receipt if the alarm goes off, because that does give the store reasonable cause to believe I'm in possession of something I didn't pay for.

Still, it irritates me, because Wal Mart doesn't even check the accuracy of the receipt... they just write down the receipt number in their little log book, and let you continue on out the door. I suppose they cross-reference that, to possibly discipline cashiers with a high incidence of failing to deactive inventory control devices. Since that's not my problem, I don't like being inconvenienced for it.

Kevin