Cross road in life suggestions needed

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Re: Cross road in life suggestions needed

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scootergeek wrote:Thanks guys, for all the responses. Yeah I know theres much more to becoming an officer or agent than just shooting and probably shooting is the last thing I should be concerned with.

I'm gonna go ahead and sign up for the carbine 1 course at tiger valley and go from there just to have a lil edge into all of this. This is all gonna be a money pit and stressful throughout this process.

Head strong I will carry on.
Scooter, you've got some very good advice from the people in "the know", but I don't know if you are hearing what they are saying. The advice people are giving is that higher level education is becoming a minimum requirement for consideration of a law enforement position, with the low end being an Associate Degree, and the high end being a preference for advanced degrees (Masters or even Phd). sRothstein has already given the advice, that attending one of these tactical training classes is of no substantial value, aside from personal self defense education, for applying to a law enforement profession, but yet that appears to be your immediate course of action. If you are going to spend money on education, it seems to me that money should be directed towards obtaining a degree of some sort. At the very least, if you obtain your degree and do not eventually land a LE job, you still have your degree to fall back on for other professions. Sinking all of your money on tactical training classes seems to be putting all of your eggs in one basket, with a big bet that it will land you a LE job. If it doesn't, then those tactical classes won't help you if you choose to pursue other professions.

I think we often look at our dream job, and simplify it to a single skill that we think as being the core requirement to getting a job. Coming out of high school, I decided I wanted to get into computers for a living. I had taken a computer science class in high school and liked it. So I went to college with the desire to learn how to program, and eventually got my bachelors in MIS (think Computer Science with a business bias). As part of my degree I had to take a considerable amount of busines related courses (management, marketing, finance & investments, accounting, economics, management science, Business Communication (aka Speech), business calculus & trig, statistics, etc), OUTSIDE of my core computer related courses. This frustrated me to no end, because all I wanted to do was to learn how to develop applications (aka program). After school I got hired by some companies doing what I wanted, writing applications. Very soon after I entered the workforce I joined a major giant in the industry as a consultant. I quickly realized that my job was to write applications to either eliminate human roles, or greatly reduce the amount of work that humans were supposed to do. So that meant, I had to learn how they did their job, learn the rules and logic behind their decision making in their job. I had to learn their profession so that I could model it in code. While learning their jobs, I realized there was much more than just learning how to write code. So when I worked with a Loss Prevention department with a Major Retailer who was trying to find a way to reduce theft by looking a data mining models to proactively look for patterns, all of those statistics courses all of the sudden made sense. When I worked with CIO who was looking for a strategy and implementation plan to update his IT infrastructure in his retail stores, all of those accounting classes, and management science classes kicked in. You see where I'm going with this. My original idea of what it meant to work in the computer industry was overly simplified, by me, as just learning how to write code. Years after, I find that writing code is very minimal to what I really do. The same thing applies to law enforcement (or any job for that matter). There is often considerably much more that outsiders looking in don't see when considering that job as a profession.

You've now been given a glimpse to the inside on what it takes to pursue a LE profession. How you proceed is up to you.

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Re: Cross road in life suggestions needed

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Hey thanks again to all that have responded especially the above two long responses.

Ok, so my original question/delima came across weird and was really a two part deal and I probably asked it or put it out there the wrong way. First off let me say i'm 36 with a Bachleors degreee in Computer Sciences. I have qualified "So FAR" for all starting points for entry into the government world. Now as to what field into government i'm not sure yet what I truly want. As for "Dream Job" cliche as it may be ...I'd want to be the Bourne Supremacy type guy out in a different country. But lets be honest thats a movie and if it was even remotely possible i'm sure i'm way off base for that stuff in my life.

I guess what I was trying to ask first is if any officers or agents had done what i'm trying to do and how was it, where did you start, did you have prior training of any kind. How did your famlies react and how far out like me doing a complete 360 was your prior life?

Like I said above I'm 36 and I currently do IT stuff for an oils analysis company yet i'm also the head oil analysist. Both titles go hand and hand in the job. I've done automotive stuff all of my life basically and was a techinical engineer for BMW for 7 years going back and fourth from Dallas to Atlanta often. So as you can see I'm wanting far from all that now.

My second question that I was trying to put out there was this: Has anyone just for learning purposes wanting more info or instruction and more skills tried or done any of the shooters courses offered around town. Did any of you take a self defense course too or just shooting. Where did any of you go, how was it, was it worth it and which do most recommend?

It was just disturbing to think that after speaking for hours on the phone to the female helping my career path at fed facility, that i'm wanting to go protect and serve others and yet I truly dont know how to protect my self properly. I thought I did but, no I don't. So I guess that where my original post became all jumbled. The original post maybe was also put fourth to possibly help others in their thinking too in regards to how much they really know thier weapons.

So without anymore goofy rambling from me let me re ask the two things from earlier the propper way I should have written them to begin with.

1. Of the many i'm sure that are here, how many went 360 degrees out to step in to law enforcement , and how did your family act towards your new decision and how or what did you do first to start the process.

2. Those of you here that use you carry weapon to defend and protect yourself or family on the streets do you truly know how to properly deploy your weapon in any given situation? Or those here that use an AR or Shotgun or other rifle for home or too the pistol again know how to deploy it safely in your home or front or back yard. With this in mind has anyone here tried any of the following Tiger Valley, Texas CQB, Thunder Ranch or any others to get said skills.


Hey if any of this still doesnt make sense feel free to slap me around. I'm easy going like that.


Oh and just an FYI for those asking about qualifications in regards to the FBI from what I heard and was told by mouth was that the agency needs to hire 2100 new employees by the end of September 2009 and they are basically taking any and all applicants to fill theses spots.
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan09/hiring_010509.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Cross road in life suggestions needed

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Well, you might be in luck with the FBI

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090105/us_nm/us_usa_fbi" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Go Federal for benefits and retirement. Go local to be a real cop. In either if you want to advance to anything higher than mid-level management, get your Masters (Public Administration or similar).

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If it helps, I know several people who have made similar career changes at that stage of your life. In my academy class, we had one cadet that had just retired from the Army in a supply position and went into police work at 41.

If you are considering federal, go now because next year you will be too old (as I mentioned). Someone else beat me to the news item from today, but that would sound ideal for what you are looking for. It will take a few years to get overseas, but the FBI can do it for you though it will probably never get quite to the Bourne Conspiracy or James Bond level.
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scooter - better hurry if you are entertaining the FBI. You have to enter the academy before your 37th birthday and a lot has to be done by you and the FBI before you reach that point.
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There's a bunch of information on their website. http://www.fbijobs.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They want to hire 850 special agents and 2100 professional staff including IT so now sounds like a good time.
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Re: Cross road in life suggestions needed

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I would not waste my time/money on a private course for your
FBI resume. The government looks favorably on state, local p.d., and military
training but considers private courses as no course at all.
A private course will build your self confidence when you hit the federal
range but thats it. :patriot:
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Re: Cross road in life suggestions needed

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scootergeek wrote:
I guess what I was trying to ask first is if any officers or agents had done what i'm trying to do and how was it, where did you start, did you have prior training of any kind. How did your famlies react and how far out like me doing a complete 360 was your prior life?

1. Of the many i'm sure that are here, how many went 360 degrees out to step in to law enforcement , and how did your family act towards your new decision and how or what did you do first to start the process.
Well, it seems I have some first hand experience. When I was younger (high school) I wanted to be a police officer. I even started college in a criminal justice program. One night I got behind the wheel of my car after drinking at a party, and I was arrested for DWI. I was guilty. It was a vey stupid thing to do at the age of 19. I managed a deferred adjudication plea, with a subsequant dismissal. Of course in law enforcement any kind of plea is as good as guilty. I changed my major to engineering and abandoned the police career.

I spent some time in the military, and then pursued a career as a civil engineer. Fast forward 15 years. I'm 34 and I am the assistant director of engineering for a local city. I sign up for the police department's "citizen's police academy" and I have a blast. I talk it over with my wife and she tells me that if I want to apply for a job at the PD I should. I go throught the 6 month application process, including testing, background investigation, polygraph, phsycological evaluation, etc. Out of 100 applicants for 2 openings I am selected. I take a 60% pay cut and start the police academy. Five months later I graduate and become a sworn police officer.

Three weeks into the 12 hour night shifts, and my family is miserable, and I am going broke. The city was still trying to fill my previous job and I went and discussed it with my old boss. He said he would love to have me back, so I left the PD.

I have since gotten a position as a reserve officer in another metroplex community. They carry my commission, and I work as often as I want. They provide all the training and equipment I need. I'm very happy with this situation.

My opinion, based on my experience, is that the role of a rookie police officer is difficult for someone that has a family that has a normal lifestyle. Children go to school during the day, and are home in the evening. My wife works 8-5. There are certainly positions at the PD that work with this schedule, but they are not usually available until you have spent several years on patrol. I personally don't like the 12 hour schedule. Many officers do because it gives you more days off.

I highly recommend riding out with the officers from the PD you are most interested in. Most departments allow riders. This will give you an idea of what they do, and how busy they are. You may love it.

Good luck.
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