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justsome45guy
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New Jersey has to be right up near or at the top of the list.
They've had a discretionary Firearms I.D. card system since 1964. It's a one-time process for long guns (they actually include pre-1899 antiques and even BB guns). It's done through one's local police department. The chiefs can deny an application for any or no reason. The law states that they're obligated to process applications in no more than six months. Judges there have ruled that this requirement can be waived if the department is "too busy." When I left there to relocate to America last week, they'd been sitting on mine with no reply for over 2 years.
To buy a handgun one needs a $5 permit per gun along with the FID card. Upon issuance of the permit the holder has 30 days to buy before the permit expires. CHL for civilians is nonexistant in practice if not by statute. There is some form of CHL but one must be a judge or retired LEO to get it. Even retired LEOs have only a 6-month grace period after retirement to apply for it.
The NJ FID allows the holder to carry the firearm outside the home (locked in the car trunk separate from any ammo) only for the purposes of going to the gun range, the hunting fields, or the gun shop and back home. Any other stops along the way between those points are illegal.
NJ also has its own assault weapon ban passed in 1991 upon which the Clinton Crime Bill ban was largely based. Any magazines holding more than 15 rounds are illegal to own. This includes tube magazines like those on some .22 rifles, thus making the Marlin Glenfield et al "assault weapons." The NJ ban has no sunset provision or grandfather clause. Owners of the proscribed guns had to sell them out of state or turn them in.
Local law enforcement consent for Curio & Relic FFL is never given.
Non-FID cardholders are not allowed to even hold a gun in NJ. Gun shows therefore cannot and do not exist there. The stores cannot allow one to hold one of their guns without first producing the card. Ranges and private individuals are not allowed to rent or loan guns to non-cardholders. Gun clubs require that all members over the age of 18 have a card.
BTW, pepper spray is illegal there too.
They've had a discretionary Firearms I.D. card system since 1964. It's a one-time process for long guns (they actually include pre-1899 antiques and even BB guns). It's done through one's local police department. The chiefs can deny an application for any or no reason. The law states that they're obligated to process applications in no more than six months. Judges there have ruled that this requirement can be waived if the department is "too busy." When I left there to relocate to America last week, they'd been sitting on mine with no reply for over 2 years.
To buy a handgun one needs a $5 permit per gun along with the FID card. Upon issuance of the permit the holder has 30 days to buy before the permit expires. CHL for civilians is nonexistant in practice if not by statute. There is some form of CHL but one must be a judge or retired LEO to get it. Even retired LEOs have only a 6-month grace period after retirement to apply for it.
The NJ FID allows the holder to carry the firearm outside the home (locked in the car trunk separate from any ammo) only for the purposes of going to the gun range, the hunting fields, or the gun shop and back home. Any other stops along the way between those points are illegal.
NJ also has its own assault weapon ban passed in 1991 upon which the Clinton Crime Bill ban was largely based. Any magazines holding more than 15 rounds are illegal to own. This includes tube magazines like those on some .22 rifles, thus making the Marlin Glenfield et al "assault weapons." The NJ ban has no sunset provision or grandfather clause. Owners of the proscribed guns had to sell them out of state or turn them in.
Local law enforcement consent for Curio & Relic FFL is never given.
Non-FID cardholders are not allowed to even hold a gun in NJ. Gun shows therefore cannot and do not exist there. The stores cannot allow one to hold one of their guns without first producing the card. Ranges and private individuals are not allowed to rent or loan guns to non-cardholders. Gun clubs require that all members over the age of 18 have a card.
BTW, pepper spray is illegal there too.
Just to clarify, local LE doesn't give consent for CRFFLs. When you apply, you are required to send a copy to your local chief LEO, but that is advisory in nature. The CLEO can then contact the ATF if they have information as to why the applicant should not receive the license. ATF will consider any disqualifying information. But, your local PD doesn't have to approve for you to get a CRFFL.justsome45guy wrote: Local law enforcement consent for Curio & Relic FFL is never given.
When I renew my CRFFL, I just include a cover letter to the chief of police: "Hey, Doug. It's that time again. Drop by if you want to go shooting."
Congratulations on your escape, and welcome to America!
Kevin
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JLinTX
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Your telling me - way to go describing this - I am back in NJ to visit family for the holiday and have to leave all my *Equipment* at a friends house in PAjustsome45guy wrote:New Jersey has to be right up near or at the top of the list.
They've had a discretionary Firearms I.D. card system since 1964. It's a one-time process for long guns (they actually include pre-1899 antiques and even BB guns). It's done through one's local police department. The chiefs can deny an application for any or no reason. The law states that they're obligated to process applications in no more than six months. Judges there have ruled that this requirement can be waived if the department is "too busy." When I left there to relocate to America last week, they'd been sitting on mine with no reply for over 2 years.
To buy a handgun one needs a $5 permit per gun along with the FID card. Upon issuance of the permit the holder has 30 days to buy before the permit expires. CHL for civilians is nonexistant in practice if not by statute. There is some form of CHL but one must be a judge or retired LEO to get it. Even retired LEOs have only a 6-month grace period after retirement to apply for it.
The NJ FID allows the holder to carry the firearm outside the home (locked in the car trunk separate from any ammo) only for the purposes of going to the gun range, the hunting fields, or the gun shop and back home. Any other stops along the way between those points are illegal.
NJ also has its own assault weapon ban passed in 1991 upon which the Clinton Crime Bill ban was largely based. Any magazines holding more than 15 rounds are illegal to own. This includes tube magazines like those on some .22 rifles, thus making the Marlin Glenfield et al "assault weapons." The NJ ban has no sunset provision or grandfather clause. Owners of the proscribed guns had to sell them out of state or turn them in.
Local law enforcement consent for Curio & Relic FFL is never given.
Non-FID cardholders are not allowed to even hold a gun in NJ. Gun shows therefore cannot and do not exist there. The stores cannot allow one to hold one of their guns without first producing the card. Ranges and private individuals are not allowed to rent or loan guns to non-cardholders. Gun clubs require that all members over the age of 18 have a card.
BTW, pepper spray is illegal there too.
Jim
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justsome45guy
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I know what you mean, Jim. A friend's house over in PA served as my Arsenal of Democracy for years.
Thanks for the clarification, KBCraig. I'm no cruffler myself and what I heard about law enforcement preventing C&R applications going through as a matter of policy there was anecdotal from the internet anyway.
I also neglected to mention one needs the FID to own black powder muzzleloaders in New Jersey.
Despite my deep and abiding hatred for the Garden State I would be remiss in mentioning the one locality even more oppressive: our nation's capitol. It is my understanding their gun ban is nearly absolute.
Thanks for the clarification, KBCraig. I'm no cruffler myself and what I heard about law enforcement preventing C&R applications going through as a matter of policy there was anecdotal from the internet anyway.
I also neglected to mention one needs the FID to own black powder muzzleloaders in New Jersey.
Despite my deep and abiding hatred for the Garden State I would be remiss in mentioning the one locality even more oppressive: our nation's capitol. It is my understanding their gun ban is nearly absolute.