Rumors about future CHL classes?

[The Annoyed Man]

On one renewal, the Instructor will go to another Instructor to shoot the course, then two years later we will have to go to DPS to shoot again.

Chas.

Just curious... Is the Instructor's range qualification more stringent than for licensees?

[Crossfire]

Yes. Instructors must qualify with both semi-auto and revolver. They also must score at least 90% as opposed to CHL students who must score at least 70% to qualify.

[jsimmons]

I'd heard that only the *test* was going to be online, and that you still had to take a local class and shooting portion. The instructor would hand out PINs that allowed you to log onto the test site at your leisure and take the test, as well as electronically submit your application, photos, and fingerprints. No more snail mail for us, and no more manually transcribing info into the system for the DPS. This would a) speed up the process, and b) reduce the personnel requirements to get the job done, thus saving money.

Of course, all of that clearly makes too much sense, and we *are* talking about government entities being involved in the process.

[roberts]

The point is we have what we have. The license IS required. The class IS required. As long as we're required to do it, let's do it well.

You make a good argument FOR an online class option. There are some good instructors out there but there are also some really, really, REALLY bad instructors out there. Look at some of the simple questions people have AFTER their class about things that even a half competent instructor should cover. In the class I took, the instructor blurred the lines between his personal opinion and the law. An online class created by DPS could ensure there is some bare minimum standard of instruction.

[Zee]

Some have expressed that the class itself dilutes the RKBA and implies the whole CHL starts to look like a priviledge. That's a fair view. But I think more the more really-anti-gun folks begin to shift towards well-lets-take-a-second-look when it appears there is some degree of assurance that someone somewhere is monitoring the whole thing. This is important to some people and these people should be assured. Why? Because they are also the voters who have a say in the matter.

Consider compromise as a spectrum versus a true win-lose. Compromise is often an acceptble second choice when your first choice is not available at the moment.

[wford]

It is interesting what questions folks ask afer they receive a CHL. Makes one wonder if they actually read the KNOWLEDGE OF LAWS AFFIDAVIT.

[Crossfire]

An online class created by DPS could ensure there is some bare minimum standard of instruction.

Apparently, you have never taken a class created by DPS.

[DoubleActionCHL]

An online class created by DPS could ensure there is some bare minimum standard of instruction.

Apparently, you have never taken a class created by DPS.

I didn't say that. You have attributed Roberts' statement to me. I have taken classes created by DPS and they are, in my opinion, bare minimum.

[Crossfire]

DA CHL - you are correct. Poor quoting on my part. I knew you didn't say that. I just formatted it incorrectly. Went back and fixed it!

[mr.72]

I think more the more really-anti-gun folks begin to shift towards well-lets-take-a-second-look when it appears there is some degree of assurance that someone somewhere is monitoring the whole thing. This is important to some people and these people should be assured.

I am a voter, and I would like some assurance that someone is monitoring your voting. Same logic, right?

I don't think you get it. The whole REASON the 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights in the first place is to EXPRESSLY PREVENT the gov't from monitoring or interfering with your right to keep and bear arms. So you know, it's not a compromise to allow the gov't to do that. It is complete surrender.

I give up!

[boomerang]

Apparently, you have never taken a class created by DPS.

Like the CHL Instructor class?

Considering the number of people who passed a CHL class who think a church is off limits, or don't know about the government property restriction on 30.06, or think one drop of alcohol = intoxicated, I think an online class might be a big improvement in some cases. Not having to listen to irrelevant war stories and watch Lenny Magoo videos would just be icing on the cake.

Oh well. I got my Utah license. No classes or new fingerprint cards required to renew that plastic.