Bank Robbery @ Kroger store

[Morgan]

I live like three blocks from this Kroger, am very familiar with the layout, and I still say that the people who have a first reaction of starting a gunfight in the middle of a busy grocery store are nuts. Imagine any grocery store layout. How exactly are you going to line up a shot that doesn't put shoppers or employees in the line of fire? The guy robbing the bank shot at the floor and still managed to hit somebody.

You are also running a huge risk pulling out a gun during a bank robbery and shooting towards the bank that someone is going to think you are an accomplice, drawing attention to you and either making you a huge target or getting shot yourself.

Lay low, call the cops, and stay out of the way. If the guy was randomly putting bullets in shoppers, that would be a different story.

Now you're projecting your experience with a specific store and a specific incident. Thanks for proving my point. The question to which we are responding isn't "what would you do at 1:20 p.m. at this specific store."

[koolaid]

I live like three blocks from this Kroger, am very familiar with the layout, and I still say that the people who have a first reaction of starting a gunfight in the middle of a busy grocery store are nuts. Imagine any grocery store layout. How exactly are you going to line up a shot that doesn't put shoppers or employees in the line of fire? The guy robbing the bank shot at the floor and still managed to hit somebody.

You are also running a huge risk pulling out a gun during a bank robbery and shooting towards the bank that someone is going to think you are an accomplice, drawing attention to you and either making you a huge target or getting shot yourself.

Lay low, call the cops, and stay out of the way. If the guy was randomly putting bullets in shoppers, that would be a different story.

Now you're projecting your experience with a specific store and a specific incident. Thanks for proving my point. The question to which we are responding isn't "what would you do at 1:20 p.m. at this specific store."

Hence why I said "imagine any grocery store layout." You are either going to be firing directly at windows going out into the parking lot, or firing back into a store full of people that are behind thin shelving units that prevent you from seeing them, but will not stop bullets.

[Morgan]

Well... NO. Let me use several examples of stores *I* go to....

I could easily have a clear shot at someone at the banking area if I can have a firing angle that doesn't put the clerk in danger, and the wall behind them in brick. So..............

[Frost]

Run away.

[Slice]

vinnier6 wrote :

no one knows how or what they would do faced with the situation... I totally agree




i would hope i would shoot and kill the criminal, and believe thats why we all have a chl.... [ This is the correct answer ]

[koolaid]

Well... NO. Let me use several examples of stores *I* go to....

I could easily have a clear shot at someone at the banking area if I can have a firing angle that doesn't put the clerk in danger, and the wall behind them in brick. So..............

Every grocery store bank I've ever seen is at the very front of the store, so the only way that is plausible is if you were literally at the cash register at the moment of the robbery, or the bank robber was so oblivious that he didn't notice the guy duck-walking up behind him between the checkout lanes and turn around to shoot at you and everybody standing near you, and that nobody else in line screamed or otherwise drew attention to you when you started to draw on the guy.

[seamusTX]

i would hope i would shoot and kill the criminal, and believe thats why we all have a chl....

No, sir.

I have no intention of shooting or killing anyone.

I did not sign up to be an unpaid and uninsured security guard for a bank that does not seem to want security guards.

My only interest at this time is to protect my family and myself from harm. If called upon to defend the community from invasion or insurrection, I would do so. However, the system does not seem to work that way nowadays.

- JIm

[Oldgringo]

i would hope i would shoot and kill the criminal, and believe thats why we all have a chl....

No, sir.

I have no intention of shooting or killing anyone.

I did not sign up to be an unpaid and uninsured security guard for a bank that does not seem to want security guards.

My only interest at this time is to protect my family and myself from harm. If called upon to defend the community from invasion or insurrection, I would do so. However, the system does not seem to work that way nowadays.

- JIm

Ahs knows dat's right.

I and many others have said the same thing, in different ways, since the beginning of this thread. Again I say, we are not the law nor are we the caped, or uncaped, avengers of social injustices and wrongdoings in our society or businesses.

Good luck with your shooting/s in the supermarket. We want to know how that works out for you.

[seamusTX]

Since the collective memory here is approaching Alzheimer's dimensions, I will also restate that if I wanted to eradicate evil from the world, I would have gone to divinity school instead of engineering school.

Weapons do not eliminate evil. They only stop specific attempted crimes.

- Jim

[Morgan]

Well... NO. Let me use several examples of stores *I* go to....

I could easily have a clear shot at someone at the banking area if I can have a firing angle that doesn't put the clerk in danger, and the wall behind them in brick. So..............

Every grocery store bank I've ever seen is at the very front of the store, so the only way that is plausible is if you were literally at the cash register at the moment of the robbery, or the bank robber was so oblivious that he didn't notice the guy duck-walking up behind him between the checkout lanes and turn around to shoot at you and everybody standing near you, and that nobody else in line screamed or otherwise drew attention to you when you started to draw on the guy.

Yup, the banks I've seen are at the front of the store in my experience too. Usually a very short walk from the check out lines. Sometimes an acute angle from the pharmacy or beer/wine.

If I was in the dairy section of my grocery store, I wouldn't know what was going on, even. But if I was in line at over 1/2 of the checkouts and something happened at the bank area, I WOULD INDEED have a very good chance at a clear shot.

I'm not saying I'd take it. I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying that I'd have the shot.

You just keep proving my point, that our opinions are generally based on our experiences, and sometimes those are based on what we've seen as examples, and our own anecdotal experiences aren't necessarily the reality we might face.

[Embalmo]

I agree with the consensus, get your family down, get yourself down, draw your weapon, and call 911. If the situation escalates to an imminent threat for you and your family, it'll likely be obvious. I would try to make myself as invisible as possible and pray that the BG goes the opposite way; if he comes my way, my gun is drawn and behind my back until it's necessary to out myself.

Embalmo

[Mikel]

well you can engage the perp if everything in your training tells you it is OK.
-can I positively id the shooter?
-are there lives in danger? sounds like this was the case...
-is the perp accessible to me? He could be inside of an office or on other side of the store. running around with gun drawn like a hero might get yourself shot by other chl holders or leos
-can I get (or get to) a clear shot? a grocery store is big and alot of people in alot of directions.

if all 3 are yes, then draw and engage... if not then

[chabouk]

I agree with the consensus, get your family down, get yourself down, draw your weapon, and call 911.

I'd trust the bank's alarm system to take care of 911. I'd have my phone out shooting video to help me be a good witness. Or, at least as good a witness as I could be while smothering my family behind the closest cover, with my other hand (discreetly) full of gun in case things turned my way.

[Slice]

The findings of the masses that replied here are there are those that would and others that would not. Tell me again Why are we CHL holders ?


well everyone has their own reason for having one. OR were we all told different things in our classes by the instructors of what we can and can not do

oh we can, it seems most are afraid to get involved or of lawsuits etc

[Abraham]

If possible, head to the stock room and quickly go out the back door.