What is the point of CHL?

[snscott]

Why bother with the time and expense of getting a CHL when so many places are "off limits"? For example, the mall closest to me is marked with 30.06 signs. My company's employee handbook says you are not allowed to have ANY weapons anywhere on company property, including the parking lot or at any company sponsored event. (however, "weapon" is not defined anywhere - so I don't even know if I am breaking company rules by having a pocket knife on me).

Doesn't feel like there are many places I CAN carry except back and forth to the range. whoo hoo!

I guess I am just feeling a bit frustrated.

[kw5kw]

Your CHL does away with background checks when purchasing a new handgun as you've already been checked and cleared, else you wouldn't have been approved for your CHL.

You can legally carry your handgun with you while you drive as protection against carjackings with no hassel from vicious Distric Attorney's who disreguard the new traveling laws.

You can legally carry in other malls as well as Home Depot, Lowe's, Best Buy, WalMart, Red Lobster, Bennigans, Chili's etc.

You can legally take your weapon to any of the other states that honor the Texas CHL. (You must follow THEIR laws while there.)

Where can't you carry otherwise besides the secured area of an Airport, pro sporting events, election places, schools and school events, a bar (51%) and a prison (duh).

Your CHL says to a LEO (or anyone else for that matter): "This person has passed a through background check and has no felony on their record--EVER. This person also has no class A or B misdemeanors in the past 5 year, or else they would not have this license to present. This person is not and does not depend upon any chemicals or alcohol and is not mentally incapable. And this person has received training in the laws of the State of Texas in self-defense and has passed a handgun qualification exercise."

I think it's worth it.

[gene]

Had one since they was approve never regret haveing one.

[nitrogen]

Also, realise what 30.06 actually does. In a way it's a blessing in disguise.

Chances are, your company handbook's language banning weapons does not meet the requirements of 30.06. What this means is, while you can still be fired for carrying a weapon on company property, you cannot be brought up on charges for it. If it's worth it to you to risk that, you can.

Also, I'm lucky, as nowhere i've wanted to go has been properly posted. Only one place is posted at all, and it's my vet's office. I won't give my money willingly to any company posted properly.

[Diode]

Also, realise what 30.06 actually does. In a way it's a blessing in disguise.

Chances are, your company handbook's language banning weapons does not meet the requirements of 30.06. What this means is, while you can still be fired for carrying a weapon on company property, you cannot be brought up on charges for it. If it's worth it to you to risk that, you can.

Also, I'm lucky, as nowhere i've wanted to go has been properly posted. Only one place is posted at all, and it's my vet's office. I won't give my money willingly to any company posted properly.

The only place I have seen posted correctly that I go to is the Gunshow! Go Figure

[Lodge2004]

Why bother with the time and expense of getting a CHL when so many places are "off limits"?

????

In the three years since I got my CHL, I have only seen two places with valid 30.06 signs; gun shows and a small bank on 1960 in Spring.

Other than bars, horse tracks, schools and military bases, it would be a challenge for me to find a place that is "off limits."

[anygunanywhere]

Why bother with the time and expense of getting a CHL when so many places are "off limits"?

????

In the three years since I got my CHL, I have only seen two places with valid 30.06 signs; gun shows and a small bank on 1960 in Spring.

Other than bars, horse tracks, schools and military bases, it would be a challenge for me to find a place that is "off limits."

+1

[Rex B]

As near as I can tell, I can't carry when I go to the racetrack. Car racing, usually there for 2-3 days straight, overnight, as a participant.

[kw5kw]

As near as I can tell, I can't carry when I go to the racetrack. Car racing, usually there for 2-3 days straight, overnight, as a participant.

Professional event, this race?

Stay overnight, where? Hotels and RV's are treated just as your home.

Just can't take them inside the gates of the event.

Russ

[Rex B]

Amateur club events, but I don't see a distinction in the law as written.
We usually stay in a motel, but we have camped on-site in good weather.

[kw5kw]

Amateur club events, but I don't see a distinction in the law as written.
We usually stay in a motel, but we have camped on-site in good weather.

do you mean "racetrack"?

race track is a dog or horse track as per definations.

PC §46.01. DEFINITIONS.

In this Chapter:
...
(15) "Racetrack" has the meaning assigned that term by the
Texas Racing Act (Article 179e, Vernon's Texas Civil Statutes).

Art. 179e. TEXAS RACING ACT.

ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

Short title
Sec. 1.01. This Act may be cited as the Texas Racing Act.

Purpose
Sec. 1.02. The purpose of this Act is to provide for the
strict regulation of horse racing and greyhound racing and the
control of pari-mutuel wagering in connection with that racing.

Definitions:...
(25) "Racetrack" means a facility that is licensed under
this Act for the conduct of pari-mutuel wagering on greyhound
racing or horse racing.

Russ

[propellerhead]

Why bother with the time and expense of getting a CHL when so many places are "off limits"?

I know what you mean. I've been carrying for a week but have realized there are more places I can carry than I can't. I know I can't carry at work but there are fences and armed guards and almost everyone has a security clearance, so I'm cool with that. When I walk into Walmart I am most likely surrounded by people with criminal histories. When I drive around, when I'm at a stop light, when I'm getting gas, when I'm out washing my car, when I'm eating at a restaurant, when I'm looking at tools at Home Depot, and so on..... By that alone, it's still worth it.

Also, realise what 30.06 actually does. In a way it's a blessing in disguise.

Chances are, your company handbook's language banning weapons does not meet the requirements of 30.06. What this means is, while you can still be fired for carrying a weapon on company property, you cannot be brought up on charges for it. If it's worth it to you to risk that, you can.

Also, I'm lucky, as nowhere i've wanted to go has been properly posted. Only one place is posted at all, and it's my vet's office. I won't give my money willingly to any company posted properly.

My understanding was that the 30.06 applies to the signs at the entrances. If the company handbook or new hire briefing tells you that you cannot carry concealed, then you can't regardless of 30.06 signs being within specs or not.

As near as I can tell, I can't carry when I go to the racetrack. Car racing, usually there for 2-3 days straight, overnight, as a participant.

As posted above, racetrack means horse or dog racing. Not car racing. I had a thread on that recently.

[Commander]

I've been carrying for 4 1/2 years. I've found very few places that I frequent that prohibit carrying. A few places have non-compliant signs which I ignore.

The wording in an employee manual must conform to the 30.06:

"Written communication" means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language
identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code
(trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person
licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed
handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed
handgun"; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both
English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to
the public.(d)

[propellerhead]

The wording in an employee manual must conform to the 30.06:

Hmm... then I'll have to get with my CHL instructor. We were taught that even just a verbal notification from the owner of the property or the company or whoever controls the property, is sufficient. Like if I didn't want you to carry in my house, I don't have to post a compliant 30.06 sign. I can tell you not to and that would be sufficient. (Not that I would but you know).

[Charles L. Cotton]

The wording in an employee manual must conform to the 30.06:

Hmm... then I'll have to get with my CHL instructor. We were taught that even just a verbal notification from the owner of the property or the company or whoever controls the property, is sufficient. Like if I didn't want you to carry in my house, I don't have to post a compliant 30.06 sign. I can tell you not to and that would be sufficient. (Not that I would but you know).

You are correct. There are two ways to give effective notice to a CHL under §30.06; written notice or verbal notice.

Written notice, whether by way of a sign or otherwise, must have language identical to the language set out in §30.06. If a sign is used, it must also comply with other provisions of §30.06 dealing with the size of the letters, color, etc.

Verbal notice does not require any specific language. Any "no gun" language will be sufficient.

Remember, all this deals with prosecution of a CHL, not whether or not you can be fired for violating company policy.

Regards,
Chas.