Troubling trend on TexasCHLforum.com

[Beiruty]

LOL...and here we go again!

The point is that, you can mess with business but do not mess with LEOs, even when they are wrong and you are right. LEO will exercise their assumed right and will be excused for their "mistake"

Avoiding trouble is the right way. And surely enough, if you are concealed carrying why disclose that you armed?

[Diesel42]

I've been lurking here for a year. Got my plastic last December.
This forum remains my favorite of the four I watch. IMO, a forum not only provides information, it also allows folks a safe way to express their opinions. I feel I can distinguish opinions from facts. In many ways, it's the opinions expressed here that help me evaluate the integrity of the cited facts.

Y'all carry on, the TexasCHLforum rocks!
Happy Trails! N

[Dutch]

As a new member the thing I have noticed that worries me the most is the scrutiny over the 30.06 signs and trying to judge whether they are legal or not.

I was raised to recognize not only what my someone was telling me but also their intent and not to parse their words for a loop hole. Imagine if you were a teen again and your dad said take out the trash and you put it on the back porch, it's out, but not in the trash can. You might have done what he said but not what he intended.

So what if someone posts a no guns allowed sign that you see but it is not 100% compliant with the wording required in the law? You have been informed of the property owner's intent. Do you have no regard for the property owner's rights on their property?

I don't have my CHL yet, but I don't think I'll be scrutinizing the signs like that.

[frazzled]

As a new member the thing I have noticed that worries me the most is the scrutiny over the 30.06 signs and trying to judge whether they are legal or not.

I was raised to recognize not only what my someone was telling me but also their intent and not to parse their words for a loop hole. Imagine if you were a teen again and your dad said take out the trash and you put it on the back porch, it's out, but not in the trash can. You might have done what he said but not what he intended.

So what if someone posts a no guns allowed sign that you see but it is not 100% compliant with the wording required in the law? You have been informed of the property owner's intent. Do you have no regard for the property owner's rights on their property?

I don't have my CHL yet, but I don't think I'll be scrutinizing the signs like that.

Agreed. Though it may not be "legal," it lets me know of places that don't want my money. Absent an emergency situation, there's no place I need to go to. Now if I were less lazy I'd go the way of others and send a letter informing them of that, but as noted, I'm generally lazy.

As to the issue of alcohol brought up, again do what you want. Some posters are saying, to be absolutely safe and free from worry, don't drink and CHL. But, like the issue of "round in the chamber or not" or several others that come up, do what you want. Everyone's opinions are just that, opinions and worth the paper they are printed on.

[joe817]

Dutch, as long as you keep that mindset, and listen to your inner voice, you will do just fine when you start carrying!

[gigag04]

When this forum was under 100 members it was like we personally knew each other in a kind of way. It's harder to flame someone that you have been posting with regularly...so not much of that went on.

Now that the site has exploded it seems easier to say what one wants with little regard to who you're speaking it to...

Maybe that's just me. It's still one of my favorite forums.

[Oldgringo]

Dutch, as long as you keep that mindset, and listen to your inner voice, you will do just fine when you start carrying!

, there are signs and then again, there are signs. Being able to discern the difference between sign "A" and sign "B" or "C" should/might keep you out of harm's way...without a whole lot of meaningless debate as to the sign's legality.

[PetrucciFan]

I was raised to recognize not only what my someone was telling me but also their intent and not to parse their words for a loop hole. Imagine if you were a teen again and your dad said take out the trash and you put it on the back porch, it's out, but not in the trash can. You might have done what he said but not what he intended.

But, there is not a SPECIFIC law that says your dad must say, "Take the trash from the kitchen and place it in the garbage can in the alley."

So what if someone posts a no guns allowed sign that you see but it is not 100% compliant with the wording required in the law? You have been informed of the property owner's intent. Do you have no regard for the property owner's rights on their property?

Does the property owner have no regard for my rights? I follow the letter of the law when I carry, and I believe that the property owners should have to do the same. If their intent is to keep me off their property, then they need to do the research to find out what is required (I took a 10-hour class to find out what is required by me when I carry). I also truly believe that some people purposely post non-compliant signs to appease higher-powers (corporate execs) knowing that CHL holders know the law and would walk past it anyway. It just gives that execs that "feel good" feeling.

BUT, that is just my opinion. By all means, follow your heart/head, and do what you think is best for your safety.

[longtooth]

A thank you for your participation gents.
A few thoughts from me personally & not necessarily the position of Charles or any other Mod.
Charles started CHL forum in Dec of 04.
At the start MOST new folks came through invitation. That is the way all of them get started. Folks generally have friends & invite folks to come visit that are of the same oppinions, mind set, & temperment as themselves. gigag04 above is correct.
I came along in June & found it somehow. I dont even remember how. I am sure I was one of the 1st to just find texas chl forum instead of being invited.
In 5yrs & 2mo we have grown to 6347 mbrs at present.
August 24, 008, 6 new members joined. That made our total 3452. In that 18 months this board has basically doubled. I dont believe there is another firearms board in the nation that has seen that kind of growth. There sure is not a state board that can make that clain.
No doubt in my mind & heart that the reason for the growth & the overall quality of character of our members is due to the high standards we set & I promice you, will maintain.
With that kind of growth we cannot help but get a few s who know it all after turning X# of youthful yrs & have their plastic for 4 months now. gun on my hip so need to change the world for the better, & when can I shoot, aaa to help the neighbor or lovely damsel in distress........
We still have far fewer than othere boards. Difference is! that behavior is acceptable on other boards. I will not go look up this stat but there is no doubt in my mind we have had to discipline more in the last 9 months than in the previous 4.5yrs.
Yes right now we do have a few that are pushing the limits to see how far they can go. No doubt in the future we will have a few more. Still far fewer than any other boards on the web & it is the good & GREAT character of 99% of our members that make that a verifiable truth.

A BIG Texas CHL forum thank you to all the 99% & we will continut to encourage the 1% to mature.
No place I would rather be for an hour or so just before bed time & you folks make it a pleasure to work for you.
LT

[03Lightningrocks]

[03Lightningrocks]

LOL...and here we go again!

The point is that, you can mess with business but do not mess with LEOs, even when they are wrong and you are right. LEO will exercise their assumed right and will be excused for their "mistake"

Avoiding trouble is the right way. And surely enough, if you are concealed carrying why disclose that you armed?

I could not possibly agree more.

[joe817]

I will not go look up this stat but there is no doubt in my mind we have had to discipline more in the last 9 months than in the previous 4.5yrs.

Oh dear! I've been here 9 months almost exactly to the day. Am I in trouble again?

[chabouk]

Longtooth, thanks for that reply from a relative "old timer" (I'm not implying anything about age, of course!), and a moderator.

In response to a personal message, I said I don't think this is really a moderation issue, because I know the mods have to read every post, and that doesn't leave them much time for constructively engaging the discussion. Besides, heavily moderated forums die off pretty quickly. It's one thing to enforce the rules consistently, but another thing entirely to edit/delete/moderate posts based on opinions or complaints or who said what (and I haven't seen any evidence of that here).

We'll never run out of new members who have barely completed the registration process before asking if they will be arrested for accidentally printing while carrying drunk in church with one in the chamber. Not much you can do about that.

But my purpose in starting this thread was to bring attention to the problem so that those members who have been around for a little while will take it to heart.

There's a difference between opinion and advice. If you're offering opinion, please make that clear. And if you're offering advice, please refer to the law that backs you up. Add this to your bookmarks to help out with that.

[longtooth]

Thank you sir.

[jimlongley]

The Sign is incorrect in some way but no one wants to test it
and
Some says "Concealed Means Concealed" implying they should just carry anyway

Then there are those who feel the need to call up the folks with signs that don't count and risk having them correct the situation by giving them lessons on how to properly deny me my right to carry. If the sign is not a 30:06 sign, my assumption is always that they don't want to forbid licensed carry. They are wanting to forbid armed robbers from bringing a gun to the robbery. I see no need to ask them if I am correct as the law already says I am.

And that would be me, because my feeling is that, just as one of our members recently experienced, even if they have the wrong signage or just plain don't know the law, you are likely to take the ride.

Let them know that their sign is wrong, and that you will most likely beat the charge, and that you will also hold them responsible. And also let them know what the compliant sign is, and the fact that it is about 2' by 3' and really ugly.

Let them know that they are only denying law abiding citizens access because criminals won't care what signs are posted, and that you will be influencing others to boycott their business as much as is in their power.

If they repost, all well and good, they don't want your business and they have proved it, and there is no place that posts that can't be replaced. If they don't repost, and you get made, and you wind up taking the ride, the basis for your civil suit is the hard copy letter, registered, return receipt, notifying them that their sign does not comply with Texas law and stating what the law is.