I think that Charles very clearly stated my own position in the above post. In a nutshell, I'm not saying I want the status quo to change, and I think that most people on this board would agree with that. But I am saying that the irresponsible actions of a few are going to wreck things for the rest of us - and so I suppose the rest of my remarks were really adressed more to them, than to you, and I apologize for the confusion. But in that light, I think that defending those people who cynically sell CFP classes as an end around is, in itself, indefensible for the reasons outlined in my previous post. So if you're not of that mind, then what I said doesn't apply to you, and again, I apologize for the confusion.sjfcontrol wrote:Wow -- TAM, I'm lost. Maybe I just don't have the concentration power this morning to understand such a long and complex (at least to me) post.
I don't think I was arguing against what you were talking about. I only mentioned that I thought those who were arguing that Texas residents should not be allowed to carry in Texas on Utah licenses, while allowing non-Texas residents to carry in Texas on Utah licenses, are arguing for a very strange situation. (Were you making that argument?) I said nothing about having both Texas and Utah licenses.
That having been said, I DO believe there are valid situations where Texas residents licenses may be rejected, suspended or revoked for either temporary or trivial reasons. Under those conditions it seems to me carrying in Texas under a Utah license is understandable. I am not advocating getting a Utah license to bypass a Texas license because it's easier, faster or cheaper.
For example, this weekend I met a gentleman who feared he could not renew his Texas license, because FIVE YEARS AGO, he was charged with 42.01(a)(1) (Disorderly Conduct, abusive language). He's been trying every since then to get the case to court to fight it, but Class C misdemeanors are SLOW to get to trial. He claims the charge is baseless. But he'd have to report it on his renewal app, and that is the only Class C misdemeanor (42.01) that can remove his eligibility. What are his options?
And I've stated before, people can have their Texas licenses suspended or revoked for such things as not reporting their change of address soon enough, or for being CHARGED with serious crimes before those charges are proven or disproven in court.
Regarding the gentleman you mentioned, I am of two minds. On the one hand, that does seem a long time to have to deal with an abusive language charge, particularly if the charge is baseless. And it is baseless, then the net effect on his CHL privileges is unfair. On the other hand, and meaning no disrespect toward him or you, but everybody claims innocence. If the trial's finding of fact is that he was in fact abusive in the expression of his First Amendment, then how do we know he won't be so in the expression of his Second Amendment? That's the problem with legal definitions like "abusive." What I might mean in good humor with no malice, you might take as abusive. It's a subjective definition with a constantly shifting data point. And, it's one thing if I verbally abuse you by calling you a profane name, and it's another thing entirely if I am verbally, psychologically, abusive of my wife or child. What are the facts in your friend's case?
, but for now, "There's nothing to see here folks".
