Yet another Utah CHL thread...

[propellerhead]

I couldn't leave well enough alone and had to get yet another source telling me it was ok to be a Texas Resident with a Texas Drivers License and a Utah CHL. I emailed the place in Austin and got this back. I thought I'd share it in case there was someone else as anal as me.

From: <propellerhead>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:40 AM
To: CHLS
Subject: Question about a UTAH CHL in Texas

Can a Texas resident who has a Utah CHL legally carry a concealed handgun in Texas?


Let’s say I live in Utah and I have a Utah CHL. Then I move to Texas and within 30 days I get a Texas drivers license and change the license plates on my car to Texas plates. Does my Utah CHL still allow me to carry concealed?


Thank you.

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From: CHLS [mailto:CHL@txdps.state.tx.us]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:42 PM
To: <propellerhead>
Subject: RE: Question about a UTAH CHL in Texas

We do have reciprocity with UTAH but you need to check with them on non-resident status.

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From: <propellerhead>
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:56 PM
To: CHLS
Subject: RE: Question about a UTAH CHL in Texas

So, a Texas resident can have a Utah CHL (and only a Utah CHL) and legally carry in Texas?

I will check with Utah on non-residency.

Thank you.

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From: CHLS [mailto:CHL@txdps.state.tx.us]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:59 PM
To: <propellerhead>
Subject: RE: Question about a UTAH CHL in Texas



YES but if you have a TEXAS DL and a UTAH CHL you can be detained until the officer get clear on UTAH LAWS AND STATUES.

If you go to the Utah DPS website and look through their FAQs, you'll find the following:

Do I have to be a Utah resident in order to obtain a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit?

No. Any U.S. citizen may obtain a Utah concealed firearm permit, providing they meet the minimum qualifications.

[Diode]

Now tell me again, why not just get a Texas CHL?

[Liberty]

Now tell me again, why not just get a Texas CHL?

Maybe some one has a defaulted student loan
maybe owes child support.
Maybe owes some taxes.
Maybe they can't afford a Texas CHL (Cheaper to get than Utah's)
Maybe the question should be "Why get a Texas CHL?"

[Diode]

Now tell me again, why not just get a Texas CHL?

Maybe some one has a defaulted student loan
maybe owes child support.
Maybe owes some taxes.
Maybe they can't afford a Texas CHL (Cheaper to get than Utah's)
Maybe the question should be "Why get a Texas CHL?"

Silly me, I pay my child support and taxes. thanks for the reply, just didn't understand the logic.

[propellerhead]

Now tell me again, why not just get a Texas CHL?

Aside from the cost of the class, the Utah CHL is $59. The Texas CHL is $140. If the end result is the same, why go for the $140 option? And that is why I have been chasing this. I'm trying to ensure there's no residency clause somewhere that will make a Utah CHL invalid for a Texas resident. Again, if the end result is the same, then the Utah CHL makes more sense.

[GrannyGlock]

Again, if the end result is the same, then the Utah CHL makes more sense.

In a financial sense maybe, but I like being a "statistic". I think it is very important that Texans stand up and be counted as being concerned responsible citizens.

I don't know that the number of Texas residents holding only a Utah license ever gets back to anyone who notices.

[Diode]

Now tell me again, why not just get a Texas CHL?

Aside from the cost of the class, the Utah CHL is $59. The Texas CHL is $140. If the end result is the same, why go for the $140 option? And that is why I have been chasing this. I'm trying to ensure there's no residency clause somewhere that will make a Utah CHL invalid for a Texas resident. Again, if the end result is the same, then the Utah CHL makes more sense.

What about the LEO at a traffic stop? Will that make it hard for them to verify your permit? Just curious, I do see your point on cost but will it cause you grief in the process? Interesting!

[propellerhead]

What about the LEO at a traffic stop? Will that make it hard for them to verify your permit? Just curious, I do see your point on cost but will it cause you grief in the process? Interesting!

That's exactly what I'm trying to gauge. Will the cost savings bring a lot of grief in the end? What if the Texas Resident who has a Utah CFP and not a Texas CHL actually had to shoot someone in self defense and an investigation happens? Will the licensee still be free and clear on the validity of the license issue?

PS. It's not for me. I already have my TX CHL. It's for my friend. She's a young twenty-something single parent, working an hourly wage job, etc. I would prefer she gets a TX CHL but the $140 to the state and $100 for the class is a bit steep for her.

[Diode]

What about the LEO at a traffic stop? Will that make it hard for them to verify your permit? Just curious, I do see your point on cost but will it cause you grief in the process? Interesting!

That's exactly what I'm trying to gauge. Will the cost savings bring a lot of grief in the end? What if the Texas Resident who has a Utah CFP and not a Texas CHL actually had to shoot someone in self defense and an investigation happens? Will the licensee still be free and clear on the validity of the license issue?

PS. It's not for me. I already have my TX CHL. It's for my friend. She's a young twenty-something single parent, working an hourly wage job, etc. I would prefer she gets a TX CHL but the $140 to the state and $100 for the class is a bit steep for her.

Yeah I knew you had yours. Then better than nothing seems to apply

[Crossfire]

If you have to shoot someone in self defense, I don't think it matters whether you have a CHL from Texas, Utah, or Timbucktu. What matters is whether or not it was justified.

I can see where there might be a conversation on the side of the road with the LEO who pulls you over for speeding, and doesn't know all the ins and outs of reciprocity. I would carry the reciprocity agreements, that we have posted and talked about, in the the glove box.

Most of the people I have talked to want the Utah CFP in addition to their Texas CHL, rather than instead of. It runs 5 years from issue date, not your birthdate, so it could cover you in the event you were ever without your Texas license due to DPS being slow, or you not getting into a class soon enough.

Oh, and you don't have to take a class to renew your Utah permit! You just send them the $10, and they send you a renewal sticker to put on your license.

[Diode]

Oh, and you don't have to take a class to renew your Utah permit! You just send them the $10, and they send you a renewal sticker to put on your license.

Over lapping the 2 would be a good reason. I was just curious with all the interest i nthe Utah permit, there seems to be some good resons to do it.

[barres]

PS. It's not for me. I already have my TX CHL. It's for my friend. She's a young twenty-something single parent, working an hourly wage job, etc. I would prefer she gets a TX CHL but the $140 to the state and $100 for the class is a bit steep for her.

Depending on her income level, Texas offers a fee reduction of 50% (down to $70) for indigents:

GC §411.194. REDUCTION OF FEES DUE TO INDIGENCY.
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, the
department shall reduce by 50 percent any fee required for the issuance
of an original, duplicate, modified, or renewed license under this
subchapter if the department determines that the applicant is indigent.
(b) The department shall require an applicant requesting a reduction
of a fee to submit proof of indigency with the application materials.
(c) For purposes of this section, an applicant is indigent if the applicant's
income is not more than 100 percent of the applicable income
level established by the federal poverty guidelines.

Just another option.

[AggieMM]

One thing to note is that you'll lose some "reciprocity" states with a non-resident Utah CHL. Looking at the Utah map (for Utah Residents):


http://www.handgunlaw.us/maps/utah_map.gif

The ones that you'll lose because you'd have a non-resident status are FL, MI, and NH. The Utah will give you (over the Texas CHL) WA, OH, and MN.



An interesting idea, but I don't see the huge benefit, but that's just me. I believe in supporting my State, even if it costs me a few more $$'s. :)

Ryan

[propellerhead]

An interesting idea, but I don't see the huge benefit, but that's just me. I believe in supporting my State, even if it costs me a few more $$'s. :)

Ryan

I'm all for supporting my state too. The number of states covered isn't really a concern in my friend's case. It is simply a cost issue. If there's a cheaper option that will yield the same result, then that's the option she'd like to take to protect herself. The rest of us who have extra spending cash will support our state's program.

I assume intent of the the whole reciprocity thing is to allow residents of other states who have been issued licenses by their home states, to carry here in Texas. I don't know if it really addresses Texas residents getting licenses from other states to carry here in Texas.

[Warhawk]

I moved to Texas from Utah about a year and a half ago. I have a Utah CFP (Concealed Firearm Permit) but have not gotten a Texas CHL yet, for several reasons.

1) the TX permit is expensive, looks like a minimum of $250 versus under $100 total when I got my UT-CFP

2) The UT CFP is perfectly legal here in TX. My only concern is the one someone else mentioned, some dumb cop not knowing the law and giving me a hard time.

3) The state of Utah IMHO has the best concealed carry laws and permits in the nation (other than vermont). Renewal does not require another class and only costs $10 for an additional 5 years. I intend to maintain this UT CFP as long as I live.

One of these days I will find the time to take the TX CHL class and get the TX permit. But chances are that I won't be in TX long term and the TX permit does me no good if I move out of state.