Lubbock Federal Court to hear handguns for 18-20 year olds.

[TxKimberMan]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

Although I served eight years, not ten, I find it unlikely that an additional two years of service would have changed my viewpoint on the subject of trust in these fine young men and women in this age group. I am always amazed and amused by comments from people professing to know everything about military life, without ever having worn the uniform. You have no idea what huge responsibilities that thousands of military members within this age group are entrusted with.

There was one pesky youngster from Kingston,Texas who served his country, and even though he was in this arbitrary "untrusted age group", he didn't bring too much disgrace to his country. His name was Audie Murphy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1924 – May 28, 1971)[2] was the most decorated American soldier of World War II

Yeah, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

[Cobra Medic]

If someone can't be trusted with a concealed handgun in public, they definitely shouldn't be trusted with a car or truck on public streets, a steak knife in a restaurant, an unrestricted internet connection, or voting in government elections.

[Liberty]

I was bitter about a government that had a curfew on me at age 17, Yet I was a highschool graduate attempting to work enough to pay for college credits. I was severely restricted because of child labor laws that wouldn't allow me to work at factories or most other high paying jobs.

I didn't make much money, but I was paying the highest tax rates of my life because I was single. If I screwed up I would be treated as an adult. I could not buy a drink.
I got my draft notice when 19, I then joined. I could not vote or have a beer when I was at home. Although I was entrusted with crypto data, and procedures at my job. At home I was allowed to carry and shoot a shotgun or rifle, but was denied the right to own a handgun. even though I qualified with M1911a1, m16 and m60 at my job. I was nineteen at a foreign country and the Germans would allow me have a beer, my own home state would not.

Government almost always is unfair. I trust them even less than they trusted me at 17.

[G.A. Heath]

I was bitter about a government that had a curfew on me at age 17, Yet I was a highschool graduate attempting to work enough to pay for college credits. I was severely restricted because of child labor laws that wouldn't allow me to work at factories or most other high paying jobs.

I didn't make much money, but I was paying the highest tax rates of my life because I was single. If I screwed up I would be treated as an adult. I could not buy a drink.
I got my draft notice when 19, I then joined. I could not vote or have a beer when I was at home. Although I was entrusted with crypto data, and procedures at my job. At home I was allowed to carry and shoot a shotgun or rifle, but was denied the right to own a handgun. even though I qualified with M1911a1, m16 and m60 at my job. I was nineteen at a foreign country and the Germans would allow me have a beer, my own home state would not.

Government almost always is unfair. I trust them even less than they trusted me at 17.

I am proud to say, Thank you for your service.

[RPB]

I was bitter about a government that had a curfew on me at age 17, Yet I was a highschool graduate attempting to work enough to pay for college credits. I was severely restricted because of child labor laws that wouldn't allow me to work at factories or most other high paying jobs.

I didn't make much money, but I was paying the highest tax rates of my life because I was single. If I screwed up I would be treated as an adult. I could not buy a drink.
I got my draft notice when 19, I then joined. I could not vote or have a beer when I was at home. Although I was entrusted with crypto data, and procedures at my job. At home I was allowed to carry and shoot a shotgun or rifle, but was denied the right to own a handgun. even though I qualified with M1911a1, m16 and m60 at my job. I was nineteen at a foreign country and the Germans would allow me have a beer, my own home state would not.

Government almost always is unfair. I trust them even less than they trusted me at 17.

You said that so well. Thanks.

I think ....Texas A&M faculty want to take the right to vote away from anyone under 25, because a low percentage of that group have a high probability of voting wrong based on Insurance company actuary tables that persons under 25 are less responsible so they charge higher rates. (This seems to be their exact argument logic about CHLs on campus)

[Purplehood]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

I was 17 when I joined the Marines. I have been handling firearms since I was 7 or 8 years old.

It is my fervent belief that If I am old enough to die for my country I am old enough to rate all its privileges.

There are 30 year Military veterans that I would never trust around firearms.

[Dragonfighter]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

I was 17 when I joined the Marines. I have been handling firearms since I was 7 or 8 years old.

It is my fervent belief that If I am old enough to die for my country I am old enough to rate all its privileges.

There are 30 year Military veterans that I would never trust around firearms.

We used to have a saying: There is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant with a pair of binos and a compass.

[pbwalker]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

Although I served eight years, not ten, I find it unlikely that an additional two years of service would have changed my viewpoint on the subject of trust in these fine young men and women in this age group. I am always amazed and amused by comments from people professing to know everything about military life, without ever having worn the uniform. You have no idea what huge responsibilities that thousands of military members within this age group are entrusted with.

There was one pesky youngster from Kingston,Texas who served his country, and even though he was in this arbitrary "untrusted age group", he didn't bring too much disgrace to his country. His name was Audie Murphy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

Audie Leon Murphy (June 20, 1924 – May 28, 1971)[2] was the most decorated American soldier of World War II

Yeah, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

[Purplehood]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

I was 17 when I joined the Marines. I have been handling firearms since I was 7 or 8 years old.

It is my fervent belief that If I am old enough to die for my country I am old enough to rate all its privileges.

There are 30 year Military veterans that I would never trust around firearms.

We used to have a saying: There is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant with a pair of binos and a compass.

LOL. Oh wow does that statement bring back memories...but we usually shortened it to, "there is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant".

[ScottDLS]

Listen to the talk of any one who has been in the military for 10 or more years and they'll tell you loudly that they themselves don't trust the 18-21 year olds.

I was 17 when I joined the Marines. I have been handling firearms since I was 7 or 8 years old.

It is my fervent belief that If I am old enough to die for my country I am old enough to rate all its privileges.

There are 30 year Military veterans that I would never trust around firearms.

We used to have a saying: There is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant with a pair of binos and a compass.

LOL. Oh wow does that statement bring back memories...but we usually shortened it to, "there is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant".

Except maybe a 19 year old Army Warrant Officer flying a helicopter...

[Bullwhip]

We used to have a saying: There is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant with a pair of binos and a compass.

My experience was, "Hey, [abbreviated profanity deleted], where are we?"

Armor commanders back then didn't have GPS, they had butter bar field artillery guys. best map readers in the whole military.

[Dragonfighter]

We used to have a saying: There is nothing more dangerous than a butter bar lieutenant with a pair of binos and a compass.

My experience was, "Hey, [abbreviated profanity deleted], where are we?"

Armor commanders back then didn't have GPS, they had butter bar field artillery guys. best map readers in the whole military.

That's the truth.

[Jasonw560]

Forgot one statistic....

You can apply for emancipation status from your parents at the age of 16, as long as you 1) Live in , 2)You must be living separate from your parent(s) or legal guardian(s) (however, although this is a requirement if you are 16 years-old, this is not a requirement if you are 17 years-old, but is helpful in proving your case). 3). You must be self-supporting and managing your own financial affairs. 4). You must be able to prove that having your parents no longer be legally and financially responsible for you is in your best interests.

Yesterday, the BATFE just filed an amici curiae from (hang on, this could take a while):Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, Graduate Center and Student Government of the University of Texas at Austin, Mothers Against Teen Violence, Students For Gun Free Schools in Texas and Texas Chapters of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Here's the (39 page not-so) brief: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jasonw560]

Did a little checking, and the "Brady Bunch" pulled the amicus brief. Seems it was all over the place like an ADD kid in a toy store. The funny thing is, they then filed the exact same brief in a lawsuit in Noo Yawk.

Now, The ATF wants to throw out the lawsuit because the ATF claims that D'cruz is only forbidden from buying a gun from a federally-licensed gun dealer. Further, D'cruz is "free to obtain handguns in a variety of legal ways and from a variety of legal sources." (As of December 23rd)

Really?

Can't wait to see what the judge does. Trying to find the case on the court web site, but it's not available.

[MeMelYup]

Did a little checking, and the "Brady Bunch" pulled the amicus brief. Seems it was all over the place like an ADD kid in a toy store. The funny thing is, they then filed the exact same brief in a lawsuit in Noo Yawk.

Now, The ATF wants to throw out the lawsuit because the ATF claims that D'cruz is only forbidden from buying a gun from a federally-licensed gun dealer. Further, D'cruz is "free to obtain handguns in a variety of legal ways and from a variety of legal sources." (As of December 23rd)

Really?

Can't wait to see what the judge does. Trying to find the case on the court web site, but it's not available.

So did they say in what ways he could legally purchase a handgun?