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Re: Finished class but dissapointed

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AustinMRH wrote:I took my class from an instructor who is a regular on this forum. I was also pretty disappointed by the class. I actually got more involved in reading this forum as a result of my poor experience with my CHL course. My course was heavy on crappy videos, military stories and stories of use of force which were clearly CCW use appropriate (though nothing about deciding continuum of force or fight vs flight situations), aluminum foil hat conversations about home security systems, and a visit (shill) from a semi local politician. Laws were almost completely glossed over as was a discussion on the where you can/can't carry. Instead we were essentially told the rules are in the book.

I'm hoping to attend a Cotton class someday. I've got a pretty good handle on my rights and responsibilities, but am on the forum daily hoping to learn more and improve my understanding of when to use and how to handle the situation following (God willing it will never be needed).
my class wasn't as bad of an experience as yours, but i did leave that day with a feeling that the instructor just got through the material as quickly as possible and wasn't very receptive to questions. in fact that's what led me to this site, one of my classmates told me about it and said i'd learn way more here than i could in any CHL class.

the regular instructor for my course had to leave at lunch and had a "friend" who was an NRA instructor come in and do the afternoon session, he just read through the powerpoints, paraphrasing as much as possible, and got done an hour early. so we sat there the last hour for a Q&A session, although he seemed irritated any time we had a question, and was more interested in talking about shooting competitions and hunting.
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rmr1923 wrote:
AustinMRH wrote:I took my class from an instructor who is a regular on this forum. I was also pretty disappointed by the class. I actually got more involved in reading this forum as a result of my poor experience with my CHL course. My course was heavy on crappy videos, military stories and stories of use of force which were clearly CCW use appropriate (though nothing about deciding continuum of force or fight vs flight situations), aluminum foil hat conversations about home security systems, and a visit (shill) from a semi local politician. Laws were almost completely glossed over as was a discussion on the where you can/can't carry. Instead we were essentially told the rules are in the book.

I'm hoping to attend a Cotton class someday. I've got a pretty good handle on my rights and responsibilities, but am on the forum daily hoping to learn more and improve my understanding of when to use and how to handle the situation following (God willing it will never be needed).
my class wasn't as bad of an experience as yours, but i did leave that day with a feeling that the instructor just got through the material as quickly as possible and wasn't very receptive to questions. in fact that's what led me to this site, one of my classmates told me about it and said i'd learn way more here than i could in any CHL class.

the regular instructor for my course had to leave at lunch and had a "friend" who was an NRA instructor come in and do the afternoon session, he just read through the powerpoints, paraphrasing as much as possible, and got done an hour early. so we sat there the last hour for a Q&A session, although he seemed irritated any time we had a question, and was more interested in talking about shooting competitions and hunting.
Was that "friend" an actual CHL instructor? If not, that REALLY needs to be turned in to DPS.
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rmr1923 wrote:
AustinMRH wrote:I took my class from an instructor who is a regular on this forum. I was also pretty disappointed by the class. I actually got more involved in reading this forum as a result of my poor experience with my CHL course. My course was heavy on crappy videos, military stories and stories of use of force which were clearly CCW use appropriate (though nothing about deciding continuum of force or fight vs flight situations), aluminum foil hat conversations about home security systems, and a visit (shill) from a semi local politician. Laws were almost completely glossed over as was a discussion on the where you can/can't carry. Instead we were essentially told the rules are in the book.

I'm hoping to attend a Cotton class someday. I've got a pretty good handle on my rights and responsibilities, but am on the forum daily hoping to learn more and improve my understanding of when to use and how to handle the situation following (God willing it will never be needed).
my class wasn't as bad of an experience as yours, but i did leave that day with a feeling that the instructor just got through the material as quickly as possible and wasn't very receptive to questions. in fact that's what led me to this site, one of my classmates told me about it and said i'd learn way more here than i could in any CHL class.

the regular instructor for my course had to leave at lunch and had a "friend" who was an NRA instructor come in and do the afternoon session, he just read through the powerpoints, paraphrasing as much as possible, and got done an hour early. so we sat there the last hour for a Q&A session, although he seemed irritated any time we had a question, and was more interested in talking about shooting competitions and hunting.
Was that "friend" an actual CHL instructor? If not, that REALLY needs to be turned in to DPS.
to be honest, i'm not real sure. he just said he was an NRA instructor. :headscratch

he gave me his card at the time but i threw it away when i got home because i had no interest in taking any "advanced" courses from him.
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If I were you, I'd contact DPS, and let them know the situation. If this person was not a qualified CHL instructor, your license (and anybody else in the class) may be in jeopardy. At the very least, the instructor that turned the class over to him is in deep trouble. My opinion, you're better off getting this settled now rather than after it becomes an issue. It's up to you.
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sjfcontrol wrote:If I were you, I'd contact DPS, and let them know the situation. If this person was not a qualified CHL instructor, your license (and anybody else in the class) may be in jeopardy. At the very least, the instructor that turned the class over to him is in deep trouble. My opinion, you're better off getting this settled now rather than after it becomes an issue. It's up to you.
yeah i'm thinking about emailing the instructor and seeing if i can get the other guy's info at the very least. i thought about it a bit more last night and i'm thinking he probably is a licensed CHL instructor, one of the questions during our Q&A session was about the requirements to be an instructor, and his answer made it sound like he went through the instructor's course.

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I would recommend any class Charles Cotton teaches. I took my CHL from him and I don't see how it could have been better.

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Good afternoon, guys. Randy Riener Owner of CHL Now on this end, sorry to hear about the experience with John Bidmead, Instructor Number 01423232, he is indeed a state certified instructor, rest assured at CHL Now we follow the state laws and would never let anyone teach at any of my classes that is not certified. Sorry for the bad afternoon session, that's the feedback I need as I often will stop in and check on an instructor that teaches a class for me. I will talk with John and have him spend a little more time in my class observing me. Please feel free to contact me through here or the web site I'd like to know more about this session. Again, RM sorry I had to leave that day, but doing these everyday, I sometimes have to make an appointment that gets me out but I still try and make some of the class so you get the good experience that CHL Now is known for and that I thought everyone was getting, and thanks for the good review, also. Its the feedback like this that makes us better.
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rjr5545 wrote:Good afternoon, guys. Randy Riener Owner of CHL Now on this end, sorry to hear about the experience with John Bidmead, Instructor Number 01423232, he is indeed a state certified instructor, rest assured at CHL Now we follow the state laws and would never let anyone teach at any of my classes that is not certified. Sorry for the bad afternoon session, that's the feedback I need as I often will stop in and check on an instructor that teaches a class for me. I will talk with John and have him spend a little more time in my class observing me. Please feel free to contact me through here or the web site I'd like to know more about this session. Again, RM sorry I had to leave that day, but doing these everyday, I sometimes have to make an appointment that gets me out but I still try and make some of the class so you get the good experience that CHL Now is known for and that I thought everyone was getting, and that's for the good review, also. Its the feedback like this that makes us better.
i appreciate your response Randy, and i really did enjoy your teaching style as you were able to take the "legal speak" and put it into layman's terms so us students could have a better grasp of the material. and i understand the need for you to take an afternoon off every now and then (this was new year's eve when you had to set up your booth for the GRB gun show), i wasn't really questioning whether John was a licensed instructor so much as the manner that he addressed questions that i had during the afternoon part of the class. he just sort of rushed through the material, and the times that i tried to slow him down to clarify something he was rude, condescending, and gave me the impression that the interruption was unwelcome. i don't know him so it may be the case that he wasn't trying to be rude, but that's just how he came across.

with that said, i have been recommending your class to anyone i've talked to who has asked me about getting a CHL, and plan to have my wife take your class after she's more comfortable and proficient with her handgun. thanks again for taking the time to respond. :txflag:
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rmr1923 wrote:i appreciate your response Randy ... thanks again for taking the time to respond.
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Re: Finished class but dissapointed

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RM send the wife over at any time, I'd be happy to get her in here with us. I'm glad you brought this up and I do appreciate the feedback just wanted to squash the responses from the guy shooting from the hip, saying we may use someone not certified by the state and that everyone taking the class could be in trouble. My business takes no shortcuts and uses only state instructors. Again feedback makes us all better, but I do take exceptions to persons that question the integrity of my business. :txflag:
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There was no way to know one way or the other by what was said. An "NRA Instructor" is not a valid qualification for teaching CHL. If he was a certified CHL instructor, then fine. But the way it was described, it sounded fishy. I'm glad to hear that my fears were unfounded. None of us need that kind of thing going on.
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sjfcontrol wrote:There was no way to know one way or the other by what was said. An "NRA Instructor" is not a valid qualification for teaching CHL. If he was a certified CHL instructor, then fine. But the way it was described, it sounded fishy. I'm glad to hear that my fears were unfounded. None of us need that kind of thing going on.
Read fourth post above yours and you will see that he WAS a Texas CHL instructor, and even his license number... :shock:
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"
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Yeah, and my post was the seventh post up. Well before we even knew who he was.
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