Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
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Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
There have been many threads and posts about valid and invalid 30.06 signs and "gunbuster" signs at stores and businesses. Some members have stated that they will not do business with a company because of the "intent" of the signs. Some have suggested sending letters to the business owners or even a boycott of the business. I believe that CHL holders have the prerogative to do so - based on "principle" or "constitutional rights" or whatever their specific reason, they can do business wherever their beliefs or conscience allows.
My question is will you "boycott" your place of employment for having a valid or invalid 30.06 sign or a company policy that does not allow guns on the property?
My question is will you "boycott" your place of employment for having a valid or invalid 30.06 sign or a company policy that does not allow guns on the property?
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Personally, my answer is no. I will not boycott an employer based on their corporate beliefs (in the area of the RKBA). However, I will boycott businesses on this basis when I am a customer.
My first duty is to my family and their well being. There are not enough 2A friendly potential employers for me to secure a decent income if I restrict my potential employer pool to only those that are openly friendly to allowing employees the RKBA at work.
As a customer, the situation is different since there are a sufficient number of businesses that do not infringe on their customer's RKBA to supply my family with the basic necessities. However, if I was ever put in a situation where the ONLY source of food for my family was a place the restricted my RKBA, I would reluctantly do business with them rather than see my family go hungry.
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
My first duty is to my family and their well being. There are not enough 2A friendly potential employers for me to secure a decent income if I restrict my potential employer pool to only those that are openly friendly to allowing employees the RKBA at work.
As a customer, the situation is different since there are a sufficient number of businesses that do not infringe on their customer's RKBA to supply my family with the basic necessities. However, if I was ever put in a situation where the ONLY source of food for my family was a place the restricted my RKBA, I would reluctantly do business with them rather than see my family go hungry.
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
It is an interesting quandary. I wouldn't say I boycott businesses that post 30.06 signs. I bought jewelry at Jared's before I obtained a CHL and must take those items back to them every 6 months to maintain the lifetime warranty on said items. I had my children at a hospital that was posted 30.06 since obtaining my CHL. My insurance paid for most of it but I paid some of it and the insurance money is deducted from my paycheck. I would attend an Astros game if the oppurtunity for me to attend arose. I know its not 30.06 posted but forbidden nonetheless. That being said, if one business provides a service I need and is posted 30.06 and another business provides the same service and is not. Guess which place I'll go even if its a little further for me to drive to get to?
My employer currently has the parking lot language in their policy against having firearms in personal vehicles on the premises. If/When the Parking Lot Bill becomes law I hope my employer does not throw up 30.06 signs everywhere. If they do, I will have no choice but to leave my firearm at home. The construction business is not rebounding anytime soon to a level where I can afford to seek employment elsewhere.
My employer currently has the parking lot language in their policy against having firearms in personal vehicles on the premises. If/When the Parking Lot Bill becomes law I hope my employer does not throw up 30.06 signs everywhere. If they do, I will have no choice but to leave my firearm at home. The construction business is not rebounding anytime soon to a level where I can afford to seek employment elsewhere.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
Since I'm basically self employed, yes if I ever posted a gunbusters or 30.06 sign, I would boycott myself
Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
Why? You could probably convince the owner to give you permission to carry past the 30.06 sign if you were nice to him and didn't call him bad names.austinrealtor wrote:Since I'm basically self employed, yes if I ever posted a gunbusters or 30.06 sign, I would boycott myself
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
I would make it a point to NOT do business with a company that posts a 30.06, unless that was my only option. Your right as a business owner to regulate your premises is fine. I'll just use my right as a consumer to take my business down the road
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"30.06" I have no choice, I can't do business with any company which won't let me in the door.
"feel good signs" Sure, I'll do business, until and unless they post a 30.06 so IV can't get in the door.
I see a 30.06 sign as a locked door, and I'm not a burglar.
"feel good signs" Sure, I'll do business, until and unless they post a 30.06 so IV can't get in the door.
I see a 30.06 sign as a locked door, and I'm not a burglar.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
Well well, what an interesting question. I personally do avoid businesses that have a 30:06 and will go to one that is not too much farther out of my way.
Now, as for my employer I have a very odd situation. Our manual states: "Possessing without authorization, or using firearms, fireworks, or any other weapon on company premises while engaged in company business or having unauthorized firearms on company customer premises or while doing business for the customer is expressly prohibited"
We do not have a 30:06 sign on our doors, and the owners of my company are very pro-gun. When I was first hired I did not have my CHL. Once I obtained it I went asking the question, "Now that I have a CHL can I have your authorization to carry concealed while I am at work?" They actually said yes! Then I asked about the other people I knew were CHL holders and were given written permission to carry concealed at work as well. I think it was probably the little misnomer that I threw at them about if some nut job comes in here and since you wouldn’t let me protect myself that they could be held responsible if something happened to me that probably helped. If they didn't I wouldn't avoid my employer, jobs are too hard to hard to come by today.
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Now, as for my employer I have a very odd situation. Our manual states: "Possessing without authorization, or using firearms, fireworks, or any other weapon on company premises while engaged in company business or having unauthorized firearms on company customer premises or while doing business for the customer is expressly prohibited"
We do not have a 30:06 sign on our doors, and the owners of my company are very pro-gun. When I was first hired I did not have my CHL. Once I obtained it I went asking the question, "Now that I have a CHL can I have your authorization to carry concealed while I am at work?" They actually said yes! Then I asked about the other people I knew were CHL holders and were given written permission to carry concealed at work as well. I think it was probably the little misnomer that I threw at them about if some nut job comes in here and since you wouldn’t let me protect myself that they could be held responsible if something happened to me that probably helped. If they didn't I wouldn't avoid my employer, jobs are too hard to hard to come by today.
And since becoming an instructor we are trying to find a date they can take my class.
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RPB wrote:"30.06" I have no choice, I can't do business with any company which won't let me in the door.
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I would like to boycott my employer, but I work for a school district.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
I interpret this as asking "will I quit my job if my employer does not allow guns on their property". I have to answer that with a big "It depends". If I can find another job at comparable pay, I'm outta there. If it is the gun-banning employer or no job/low paying (comparably) job - that's a toughy, but I have to say that I think I would go with the gun-banning employer. As others have stated, and I concur - I have a responsibility to my family. I guess part of this attitude comes from the fact that I generally travel in areas of low crime. I currently telecommute, but if I had to go in to an office on a regular basis - well, if the office were in an iffy area, or required me to traverse neighborhoods that made me less than comfortable - that would be the part of the "depends" where I would boycott the employer and find myself another job.WildBill wrote:My question is will you "boycott" your place of employment for having a valid or invalid 30.06 sign or a company policy that does not allow guns on the property?
There are a lot of factors that go into a decision like this. My personal safety is about the highest priority I can have. Other than that, all sorts of factors that would be hard to include in a hypothetical would be weighed in making the decision. But banning guns is not an automatic turn-down of employer in my opinion. Makes it a 2nd-string choice, maybe, but not automatic rejection.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
Theoretically, I'd never work somewhere with a valid 30.06/51% sign or the proper 30.06 wording in the employee handbook, but I've never had the chance to test this particular theory. If we're talking about invalid signage or a company policy that lacks the magic words, then I'd prefer not to but it isn't an automatic deal-breaker.WildBill wrote:My question is will you "boycott" your place of employment for having a valid or invalid 30.06 sign or a company policy that does not allow guns on the property?
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
I currently work in an area that wepons are are very much encouraged, however prior to being here I worked in the chemical plants along the houston ship channel, most of them have not only company policy but law against carrying at work, I would prefer that I didn't need to work there or have them atleast allow me into the parking lot and leave the weapon in my vehicle but they don't and the parking lot bill isn't going to do much for me. as far as patronage at places that display 30:06 I tend to not go there even if I have to go a bit further down the road, I don't go to most places that are 51% so thats not really an issue. I would like to see the law actually go thru that allows a CHL holder carry everywhere except jails, yes even in the courthouse and other like places that are on the currently prohibited list. as has been said so many times its not funny CHL holders are less likely to be a threat no matter where they go that it becomes nothing more than a control or OMG (makes somebody feel good) issue to restrict where we go with our CHL and carry weapon.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
What is the law, other than 30.06 that prohibits carrying under CHL at a chemical plant?JP171 wrote:I currently work in an area that wepons are are very much encouraged, however prior to being here I worked in the chemical plants along the houston ship channel, most of them have not only company policy but law against carrying at work, I would prefer that I didn't need to work there or have them atleast allow me into the parking lot and leave the weapon in my vehicle but they don't and the parking lot bill isn't going to do much for me. as far as patronage at places that display 30:06 I tend to not go there even if I have to go a bit further down the road, I don't go to most places that are 51% so thats not really an issue. I would like to see the law actually go thru that allows a CHL holder carry everywhere except jails, yes even in the courthouse and other like places that are on the currently prohibited list. as has been said so many times its not funny CHL holders are less likely to be a threat no matter where they go that it becomes nothing more than a control or OMG (makes somebody feel good) issue to restrict where we go with our CHL and carry weapon.
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Re: Boycotting 30.06 Businesses vs. Employee Policy
The old saying is "don't cut off your nose to spite your face." I am one of the longest with my company and preceded employee policy handbooks, nevertheless I honor the prohibitions since I have to frequent prohibited Federal areas. Off hours only and pray BG doesn't catch me on the way to the car after work.
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