Katygunnut wrote:
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
I assumed it was a joke. Nobody here lives in Iraq.
JP171 does.
I figured someone would point out something silly like that so I went to change it. Too late... silly was waiting on the trigger.
Katygunnut wrote:
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
ScottDLS wrote:
What is the law, other than 30.06 that prohibits carrying under CHL at a chemical plant?
Maritime Transportation Security Act of 2002
In 72 pages of the act I can't find any reference to firearms or prohibition thereof...nor does it seem to apply to "chemical plants" unless they are secure port facilities, which wouldn't be relevant for most plants with no water access. I've heard about the Coast Guard and Customs prohibiting firearms in vehicles entering certain secure ports, even though they (ports) are generally owned by the states/municipalities, but I can't find the legal justification in the Act.
MTSA requires a Facility Security Plan (FSP), which are approved by the USCG. Most of these state that weapons are prohibitted from the site. So it is company policy that is required and enforced by Federal Law. A FSP is not law, but it is required of facilities within MTSA sites. What is really nuts is that in order to enter an MTSA site, you must have a TWIC (or be excorted by someone with one) which involes an FBI background check.
One thing that I would like to point out about businesses posting 30.06 signs, gun buster signs or having "anti-gun" policies is that most of the companies that people work for and do business with are corporations. They are not independent businesses owned by individuals , so there is no one person who has the sole responsibility or discretion to establish company policies towards firearms. So, trying to blame the manager or employee for the policy is ludicrous.
Some people, may say that this is the mentality of "just following orders". We may not like it, but that is the reality of corporate business.
WildBill wrote:One thing that I would like to point out about businesses posting 30.06 signs, gun buster signs or having "anti-gun" policies is that most of the companies that people work for and do business with are corporations. They are not independent businesses owned by individuals , so there is no one person who has the sole responsibility or discretion to establish company policies towards firearms.
The CEO is responsible. Whether the company is private or public, the buck stops there.
WildBill wrote:One thing that I would like to point out about businesses posting 30.06 signs, gun buster signs or having "anti-gun" policies is that most of the companies that people work for and do business with are corporations. They are not independent businesses owned by individuals , so there is no one person who has the sole responsibility or discretion to establish company policies towards firearms.
The CEO is responsible. Whether the company is private or public, the buck stops there.
The CEO of a corporation is responsible to the stockholders [at least that is the theory] and the board of directors. He or she can not make or change policy without their approval.
WildBill wrote:The CEO of a corporation is responsible to the stockholders [at least that is the theory] and the board of directors. He or she can not make or change policy without their approval.
I own stock in several companies. I have never been given an opportunity to vote on company HR policies. If I don't like the company's policies, I can vote for a different BoD that can replace the CEO, but that's after the fact. The CEO is the CEO and exercises the authority of that office until replaced.
WildBill wrote:The CEO of a corporation is responsible to the stockholders [at least that is the theory] and the board of directors. He or she can not make or change policy without their approval.
I own stock in several companies. I have never been given an opportunity to vote on company HR policies. If I don't like the company's policies, I can vote for a different BoD that can replace the CEO, but that's after the fact. The CEO is the CEO and exercises the authority of that office until replaced.
But as a stockholder you can theoretically vote out a CEO who doesn't support your RTKBA and replace him with someone who does. I don't want to belabor the point, but for most companies and CEOs the policies concerning firearms on company property are very low on their list of priorities. They are more concerned about increasing sales and revenue. Based on their own indivdual beliefs, very few CEOs are going to stick their necks out to support a policy allowing employees to carry at work. As an aside, I wonder what kind of firearms policies that Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Sig, Colt, Kahr, Kimber, Federal, CCI, Speer, etc have at their factories.
WildBill wrote:There have been many threads and posts about valid and invalid 30.06 signs and "gunbuster" signs at stores and businesses. Some members have stated that they will not do business with a company because of the "intent" of the signs. Some have suggested sending letters to the business owners or even a boycott of the business. I believe that CHL holders have the prerogative to do so - based on "principle" or "constitutional rights" or whatever their specific reason, they can do business wherever their beliefs or conscience allows.
My question is will you "boycott" your place of employment for having a valid or invalid 30.06 sign or a company policy that does not allow guns on the property?
I'm not willing to impoverish myself by a futile gesture so I would not; but I don't have to since my company policy explicitly allows carry by CHL holders.
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So since the hospitals are, for the sake of argument, posted then....What if you are not given the option of whether or not you want to do business there? In such a case as a car accident or accident of any kind requiring involuntary hospitalization. Where goes your concealed firearm? Obviously not a violation, right? My employer has a no weapons of any kind policy but I'm not giving up my job. That said, I'm not giving up my gun either.
Katygunnut wrote:
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
I assumed it was a joke. He doesn't live in Iraq.
More like being extreme to prove a point. Namely, that if absolutely necessary, I can acquire goods / services from a free fire zone more safely than I can work in the same environment. If I was ever forced into this situation, it would not be all that unreasonable for me to wait in the car, and it would be relatively easy to have an AR ready to go in said car.
Fortunately, I live in the Houston suburbs, and there are no essentials that are only sold by a business that has chosen to unduly imperil the safety of their customers. Therefore, I have never been forced into this situation.
DFWTT wrote:In such a case as a car accident or accident of any kind requiring involuntary hospitalization. Where goes your concealed firearm? Obviously not a violation, right?
Oldgringo wrote:Why make mountains out of mole hills? There's another sayin' somewhere about, "...patience and accepting things you can't change...", or somethin' like that ?
Hmm OG. Let's not forget the rest of the prayer - the parts about courage and wisdom:
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
You have to be able to answer the last part before you be assured whether you should seek serenity or simply courage.
Katygunnut wrote:
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
I assumed it was a joke. He doesn't live in Iraq.
If I was ever forced into this situation, it would not be all that unreasonable for me to wait in the car, and it would be relatively easy to have an AR ready to go in said car.
It sounds like you and she have worked it all out. Being prepared is always important. You could each wear head sets and she could constantly udate you on which isle number she is on. Even better, she could wear a tracking device and you could sit in the car and watch her exact co-ordinates on a map. Be sure and get the CHL sash so the cops know your a good guy when they see you rushing the store with a loaded AR15.
Katygunnut wrote:
If I was forced into that situation, I would likely send my wife in to the store while I provided overwatch from outside the building with sufficient firepower ready and in constant communication in the event that a hostile action occurred during her shopping trip. If necessary, I could grab my AR (+ 1 for her) from my car and engage the BG's.
I assumed it was a joke. He doesn't live in Iraq.
If I was ever forced into this situation, it would not be all that unreasonable for me to wait in the car, and it would be relatively easy to have an AR ready to go in said car.
It looks like you and she have worked it all out. Being prepared for any situation is always important. You could both wear headsets so she can keep you updated on which isle she is on. Even better, maybe get one of those satellite trackers and you could sit in the car and watch her exact co-ordinates on a map. I would recommend you wear a CHL sash so the cops know your a good guy when they see you rushing the store with a loaded AR15.
