TLE2 wrote:So... this has been running around in my mind all week.
Hypothetical:
I'm involved in an incident, attacker is on the ground, "cleared" the area, call 911: What do I say?
"There's been a shooting, the perpetrator is down"
"I've been involved in a shooting incident, the perp is down"
"I was attacked"... how should you phrase it?
Do you add "send an ambulance"? I've heard that on any such call an ambulance is automatically dispatched, but that may not be true. (I've not come close enough to the attacker to know that they're still alive or not, but the attacker isn't moving.) Would it be held against you if you didn't say "send an ambulance"? (Lack of compassion).
End Hypothetical
Just thinking...
Did you watch the video?
Call 911. Say, "I am the victim of an (attack,robbery, assault, etc.). I was forced to defend myself using deadly force. I need police and ambulance immediately to (address). I will cooperate with the police when they arrive, and I will sign a complaint."
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I find it interesting that Ayoob did not advise his viewers to state "I was afraid for my life" or anything of that nature. There's a big difference between being attacked and fearing for one's life. Also, nowhere in the video did he say you should admit to the shooting - only establish that you're the victim and he's the villain.
TrueFlog wrote:I find it interesting that Ayoob did not advise his viewers to state "I was afraid for my life" or anything of that nature. There's a big difference between being attacked and fearing for one's life. Also, nowhere in the video did he say you should admit to the shooting - only establish that you're the victim and he's the villain.
Being afraid is not a prerequisite for using force. It is an emotional response to a threat. You can be fully justified in using deadly force to defend yourself without ever being afraid.
Of course, jurors have been known to equate a lack of emotion with premeditation, so saying you're afraid may win some points with some jurors. But such a thing does not need to be established in the initial call.
Call 911 and say...
I was attacked at (address) and defended myself with dealy force. I have a CHL and am (height) (hair color)(descrbe what you are wearing) I will stay on the phone until the police & ambulance arrive.
TLE2 wrote:So... this has been running around in my mind all week.
Hypothetical:
I'm involved in an incident, attacker is on the ground, "cleared" the area, call 911: What do I say?
"There's been a shooting, the perpetrator is down"
"I've been involved in a shooting incident, the perp is down"
"I was attacked"... how should you phrase it?
Do you add "send an ambulance"? I've heard that on any such call an ambulance is automatically dispatched, but that may not be true. (I've not come close enough to the attacker to know that they're still alive or not, but the attacker isn't moving.) Would it be held against you if you didn't say "send an ambulance"? (Lack of compassion).
End Hypothetical
Just thinking...
Hmmm for civil suit purposes you probably do not want your 911 call to sound too staged. Perpetrator is a common LEO term but not one commonly used by a citizen. It may sound really weird when replayed out of context.
STG wrote:Highly suggest if you live in Texas, you take a look at Walker, Rice & Wisdom's "[Pre-paid legal service]"
After moving here from WA and getting my Texas CHL, I looked into their services. It cost me $140 bucks and is good for a year. That 140 covers you 24/7 in the state of Texas against all criminal and civil proceedings with never another cent out of your pocket.
You get a pocket card with a 24 hour number you call if you had to use your weapon. The phone will be answered by a human being regardless of the hour and you will be given counsel on what to say when the police arrive. An attorney will be with you in person as fast as they can get there.
As far as what to say when you call 911:
" My name is _________, please send the police and an ambulance to address ___________________ and the HANG UP THE PHONE. IMMEDIATELY CALL YOUR ATTORNEY and wait for the police.
I do not work for, nor have any material interest in Walker, Rice & Wisdom or the [Pre-paid legal service] program other than being a client.
I have been carrying a concealed handgun for over 18 years. I have had two encounters, 8 years apart which required the use of force. In both instances I wish to heaven I would have had representation already retained.
For whatever it's worth.
Keep your hatchets sharp!
Anyone else have experience with those folks? $140/yr for a theoretical "unlimited" amount of legal defense sounds too good to be true.
I also have their coverage. Although I have not seen a lot about them, I can also say I have never seen anything bad about them.
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I clicked on the link to view the vid and got this from McAfee:
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I am a newby here so please advise if this is normal...Would really love
to see the vid.
STG wrote:Highly suggest if you live in Texas, you take a look at Walker, Rice & Wisdom's "[Pre-paid legal service]"
. . . As far as what to say when you call 911:
" My name is _________, please send the police and an ambulance to address ___________________ and the HANG UP THE PHONE. IMMEDIATELY CALL YOUR ATTORNEY and wait for the police.
You can't be serious! This is what [Pre-paid legal service] suggest you should do immediately after a self-defense shooting?
STG wrote:Highly suggest if you live in Texas, you take a look at Walker, Rice & Wisdom's "[Pre-paid legal service]"
. . . As far as what to say when you call 911:
" My name is _________, please send the police and an ambulance to address ___________________ and the HANG UP THE PHONE. IMMEDIATELY CALL YOUR ATTORNEY and wait for the police.
You can't be serious! This is what [Pre-paid legal service] suggest you should do immediately after a self-defense shooting?
Chas.
From the literature they email:
Call 911, request police and ambulance - do not say anything other than “your name, location
and send police and ambulance.” The 911 call is recorded – Say Nothing Else!
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams
STG wrote:Highly suggest if you live in Texas, you take a look at Walker, Rice & Wisdom's "[Pre-paid legal service]"
. . . As far as what to say when you call 911:
" My name is _________, please send the police and an ambulance to address ___________________ and the HANG UP THE PHONE. IMMEDIATELY CALL YOUR ATTORNEY and wait for the police.
You can't be serious! This is what [Pre-paid legal service] suggest you should do immediately after a self-defense shooting?
Chas.
From the literature they email:
Call 911, request police and ambulance - do not say anything other than “your name, location
and send police and ambulance.” The 911 call is recorded – Say Nothing Else!
They definitely oversimplify their advice to the point that it sounds uncooperative. After you give the basic info, you can deter the ensuing interrogation by the operator by saying something to the effect of "Now I need to pay attention to my surroundings without being distracted by comversation. But I'd like you to stay on the line in case I need to update you."
Excaliber wrote:
Another reason not to give a detailed statement immediately after an incident is that the effects of life threatening stress include perceptual distortions of time and distance, vision and hearing. For example, you may think you only fired 2 rounds, but investigation may show you emptied the magazine.
If you speak under these circumstances and give what you believe to be the truth at that time, it may well contradict physical evidence at the scene and the discrepancies can be used to discredit you and make you look guilty.
Your memory of the events will sharpen and fill in after at least 24 hours and one rest (sleep) cycle. You will be much better able to give an accurate account at that time.
One would think that law enforcement would be aware of this and take it into account.
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