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Re: FN Five-Seven vs Beretta 92FS

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:
koolaid wrote:I think the FiveseveN makes for a pretty horrible carry gun. It is both large, and fires an underwhelming round that was designed for a task that you are extremely unlikely to encounter in a self defense situation and ammunition that you can't actually get.

Unless you have penetrator ammo and expect to have to fire large volumes at people wearing body armor and have some expectation that you'll need to be able to share ammo with your P90, almost anything else is a better choice.
Ruger's P90 is a .45 caliber single stack pistol. I'm not sure to which gun maker you are referring.

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He was talking about a FHN P90 Carbine. It shares the 5.7x28mm round the FsN pistol does.

I was mainly drawn to the easy of firing and my accuracy of the Five Seven and 92FS compared to the other weapons I have shot, would any of you have some recommendations that may be better geared toward CCW that have the accuracy and low recoil of the two that may be a better fit. example: My Glock32 is fitted with a .40 cal barrel but I am a terrible shot with it, so it really doesn't do me much good.

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Apothix wrote:I was mainly drawn to the easy of firing and my accuracy of the Five Seven and 92FS compared to the other weapons I have shot, would any of you have some recommendations that may be better geared toward CCW that have the accuracy and low recoil of the two that may be a better fit. example: My Glock32 is fitted with a .40 cal barrel but I am a terrible shot with it, so it really doesn't do me much good.

Thanks.
Recommendations would depend on WHY you think you're a "bad shot" with the Glock and why you think you're a better shot with the others. I'll briefly examine a few possibilities:

BARREL LENGTH: FN & 92FS both have longer barrels and longer sight radius than the mid-size Glock. Generally speaking, longer = more accurate in both cases. I am a slightly better shot with longer barrel than shorter barrel, but it's not a huge difference in accuracy especially when the difference in barrel or sight radius length is an inch or less - meaning difference between a full-size and mid-size Glock (4.5-inch vs. 4-inch) or even between Government and Commander 1911 (5-inch vs. 4.25-inch) shouldn't make a night and day difference. But the subcompacts - 3.8-inch barrel or less CAN make a difference. Any gun - even a full-size Glock, with longer barrel could help if this is the problem - but I suspect it's something more.

CALIBER: Does the recoil of .357 Sig or .40 S&W bother you? Especially on a smaller/lighter frame like a Glock 23/32? If this is the case, simply switching to a Glock or similar in 9mm should help a bunch. Both .40 & .357 are snappy rounds compared to a standard-pressure 9mm.

GRIP: this one could be the real key, IMHO. Do the other guns just "feel better" in your hands? Grip ergonomics plays a huge part in shootability of one pistol vs. another within the confines of each individual's own hands. And Glocks simply DO NOT fit everyone. This could be because of grip size, shape, angle, beavertail, or even backstrap to trigger distance. If you like the basic Glock design - polymer frame, striker-fired action, then try one of the many similar pistols that have emulated Glock in the last decade or so - Springfield XD/XDM, Smith & Wesson M&P, Ruger SR9/SR40, etc. You could also have your Glock's grip altered either by a professional or DIY if you're brave enough - involves reshaping the polymer with heat guns, soldering irons, and/or even adding polymer to form new shapes like an extended beaver tail. Lastly, if you really like Glock best for some reason perhaps investigate an "improved" Glock frame from a company like Lone Wolf

TRIGGER/ACTION: this one I would suspect the least because most people I've met can shoot a stock Glock trigger just fine, but perhaps you don't like the feel of that trigger/action - which can at times be a bit "mushy" and can stack upon before the final break. perhaps you would prefer a single-action-only like a 1911 or Browning HiPower where you must first thumb off the safety then engage a short, crisp single-action trigger that just drops an already cocked hammer. Or perhaps you'd prefer double-action/single-action like a Beretta or Sig Sauer. Perhaps even a double-action-only like found on some Sigs and others.
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Well Baretta dimed out italian gun owners by throwing them under the bus with the EBR ban.

I won't touch them with a 10th pole.
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Apothix wrote:I was mainly drawn to the easy of firing and my accuracy of the Five Seven and 92FS compared to the other weapons I have shot, would any of you have some recommendations that may be better geared toward CCW that have the accuracy and low recoil of the two that may be a better fit. example: My Glock32 is fitted with a .40 cal barrel but I am a terrible shot with it, so it really doesn't do me much good.

Thanks.
Recommendations would depend on WHY you think you're a "bad shot" with the Glock and why you think you're a better shot with the others. I'll briefly examine a few possibilities:

BARREL LENGTH: FN & 92FS both have longer barrels and longer sight radius than the mid-size Glock. Generally speaking, longer = more accurate in both cases. I am a slightly better shot with longer barrel than shorter barrel, but it's not a huge difference in accuracy especially when the difference in barrel or sight radius length is an inch or less - meaning difference between a full-size and mid-size Glock (4.5-inch vs. 4-inch) or even between Government and Commander 1911 (5-inch vs. 4.25-inch) shouldn't make a night and day difference. But the subcompacts - 3.8-inch barrel or less CAN make a difference. Any gun - even a full-size Glock, with longer barrel could help if this is the problem - but I suspect it's something more.

CALIBER: Does the recoil of .357 Sig or .40 S&W bother you? Especially on a smaller/lighter frame like a Glock 23/32? If this is the case, simply switching to a Glock or similar in 9mm should help a bunch. Both .40 & .357 are snappy rounds compared to a standard-pressure 9mm.

GRIP: this one could be the real key, IMHO. Do the other guns just "feel better" in your hands? Grip ergonomics plays a huge part in shootability of one pistol vs. another within the confines of each individual's own hands. And Glocks simply DO NOT fit everyone. This could be because of grip size, shape, angle, beavertail, or even backstrap to trigger distance. If you like the basic Glock design - polymer frame, striker-fired action, then try one of the many similar pistols that have emulated Glock in the last decade or so - Springfield XD/XDM, Smith & Wesson M&P, Ruger SR9/SR40, etc. You could also have your Glock's grip altered either by a professional or DIY if you're brave enough - involves reshaping the polymer with heat guns, soldering irons, and/or even adding polymer to form new shapes like an extended beaver tail. Lastly, if you really like Glock best for some reason perhaps investigate an "improved" Glock frame from a company like Lone Wolf

TRIGGER/ACTION: this one I would suspect the least because most people I've met can shoot a stock Glock trigger just fine, but perhaps you don't like the feel of that trigger/action - which can at times be a bit "mushy" and can stack upon before the final break. perhaps you would prefer a single-action-only like a 1911 or Browning HiPower where you must first thumb off the safety then engage a short, crisp single-action trigger that just drops an already cocked hammer. Or perhaps you'd prefer double-action/single-action like a Beretta or Sig Sauer. Perhaps even a double-action-only like found on some Sigs and others.
I believe the problem I have with my glock is the grip and caliber. The recoil on it is crazy and I have to squeeze the life out of it in order to keep it from going all over the place when I shoot it. Also the feel of the grip or I guess shape/style of grip it has just is not very comfortable for me.
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gigag04 wrote:Well Baretta dimed out italian gun owners by throwing them under the bus with the EBR ban.

I won't touch them with a 10th pole.
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If you want to see insides of a Beretta 92FS, checkout a link in my signature, maybe it will be easier for you to make a choice once you'll know what is inside Beretta92FS. There are some very thorough close up videos.

I would get a Beretta. It has been put through many tests by many agencies and it kept coming out on top. A great gun. When I had to make a choice between a Beretta 92FS and a Glock 22, I tested both. In my case Beretta was a love from first sight.
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I carry a Beretta M9 most of the time. I recently changed the upper to a shorter .40S&W version for carry. Hopefully soon I will pick up the .22LR conversion practice kit (slide & mag) to go with it, but currently "practice" with an airsoft version of it. Holster selection for the Beretta is very plentiful because it has been available for so long & because it is the sidearm for the US military & has been for several law enforcement departments.

Beretta has offered many different variations of the 92 platform. DA/SA, DAO with no external safety, SAO, G models that have no safety (just a dec0cker), 9mm, .40S&W, (aftermarket 357Sig barrels conversion), fullsize, compact, Centurion (compact slide on fullsize frame), & even a few options with the finish. I think your options for the FiveseveN are limited to the color of the plastic frame.

I do like the FiveseveN too & definitely wouldn't feel under gunned carrying it. I haven't had the chance to fire one, but I have shot a suppressed AR-5.7. (That was awesome!) If I had one of those or the PS90, then I would definitely consider the pistol to go with it. I haven't fired the pistol, but handling it at the store it felt kinda cheap for the price. I know that it is a great gun, but there was just too much plastic & parts that seemed would hang up.
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I currently do not have a P90 although I sure would love to have one, and yes that probably would give me more of a reason to go with the FsN... and after reading every ones input I think I am going to be leaning more toward the Beretta 92FS for now, due to the cost of the gun, the cost of the ammo, and also because of the range/avaliablity, of holster options. I really like the FsN and still intend on buying one, but for now I think its a better investment to go with the Beretta. Also with the money I save I may pickup in addition a Ruger SR9c
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Apothix wrote:I believe the problem I have with my glock is the grip and caliber. The recoil on it is crazy and I have to squeeze the life out of it in order to keep it from going all over the place when I shoot it. Also the feel of the grip or I guess shape/style of grip it has just is not very comfortable for me.
In this case, try a Springfield XD/XDM and a Smith & Wesson M&P. Both similar designs to Glock, but with much better grip ergonomics. And you might even try both in .40-cal (simply the change in grip may make the .40 more tolerable, but as always YMMV). I recently unloaded both of my .40 Glocks in favor of a 9mm M&P and a .45 M&P and love both guns (though I do miss the slightly more compact form factor of my Glock 23).

You may still like the Beretta better than either of the above, but you should at least try them because their weight should be significantly less than the Beretta 92. If you really like Beretta's action better, also look into the Beretta PX4 - which uses a polymer frame and a unique rotating barrel action that supposedly reduces recoil (I have not fired one myself). See a lot of these selling used in Houston area for around $400 on TexasGunTrader.com
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A-R wrote:
Apothix wrote:I believe the problem I have with my glock is the grip and caliber. The recoil on it is crazy and I have to squeeze the life out of it in order to keep it from going all over the place when I shoot it. Also the feel of the grip or I guess shape/style of grip it has just is not very comfortable for me.
In this case, try a Springfield XD/XDM and a Smith & Wesson M&P. Both similar designs to Glock, but with much better grip ergonomics. And you might even try both in .40-cal (simply the change in grip may make the .40 more tolerable, but as always YMMV). I recently unloaded both of my .40 Glocks in favor of a 9mm M&P and a .45 M&P and love both guns (though I do miss the slightly more compact form factor of my Glock 23).

You may still like the Beretta better than either of the above, but you should at least try them because their weight should be significantly less than the Beretta 92. If you really like Beretta's action better, also look into the Beretta PX4 - which uses a polymer frame and a unique rotating barrel action that supposedly reduces recoil (I have not fired one myself). See a lot of these selling used in Houston area for around $400 on TexasGunTrader.com
Thanks for the suggestions, I think Spring Guns and Ammo actually stocks all of those for rental. I''ll have to check a few out and see which I like better. I noticed the PX4 Storm was also pretty popular but heard people were having issues with the pin on it, but I think that may have only been the problem with the PX4 sub.

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Anyone:

If apothix is leaning toward the Beretta, is there a Stoeger clone of the 92 available?

Stoeger's are basically Beretta's, but at a lower price point.

Taurus makes a 92 clone, probably for less money, but the Beretta's probably worth the extra dinero.

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surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Anyone:

If apothix is leaning toward the Beretta, is there a Stoeger clone of the 92 available?

Stoeger's are basically Beretta's, but at a lower price point.

Taurus makes a 92 clone, probably for less money, but the Beretta's probably worth the extra dinero.

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Stoeger clones the old Beretta "Cougar" I believe. But don't think they make a 92/M9 clone. Taurus' 92 clones have a good reputation. As I understand it, they basically took over Beretta's old manufacturing plant lock, stock and barrel and so everything is "the same" as it was when Beretta used the plant except the name etched on the side (and Taurus tends to make more 92s that are "dressed up" with "bling"). As for reliability, the Taurus clones are supposed to be very good.
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So I went to the range today and rented a XD9 and put 100 rounds through it. I don't really care for it so much.. I feels like a smaller version of my glock... I guess its just the boxy style the gun has to it that is turning me off from it... I was still a much better shot with the 9mm than I was with my 40.cal.. I think I'm gonna see if I can go ahead and pickup a Beretta at the gunshow coming up on the 13/14 in Conroe. Would you guys recommend holding onto the G32 or would you say go ahead and see if someone at the show would want to buy it ?
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I decided to go ahead today and trade out my Glock for a 92FS and I couldn't be happier with it. Thank you all for the tips and suggestions.. Greatly appreciated..
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In my experience, somewhat limited compared to some, the first step is finding a pistol that feels good in your hand. Of course, you should learn proper grip, mechanics to make this easier. I shot every pistol in the rental cabinet at the LGS and range before deciding on my first pistol, a Sig 226 Navy. This was a decent choice but as I gained experience I sharpened my sensory inputs about grip. The 226 was decent but the XD9 was even better. I'm left handed so I started looking for a lefty friendly pistol and came up with the P7M8, a truly terrific little gun with many amusing virtues.

Gaining experience, and practice, helps accuracy with a pistol that feels right in your hand. I attended a number of weekend shooting schools taught by Bruce Gray, who is a big advocate of dry firing. Practicing every day, at zero cost, getting a good grip, aiming, increasing pressure on the trigger until it breaks, without moving the gun leads to accurate shooting. Bruce is noted for saying, "Shooting is dry firing with noise!" An hour a day of good dry-firing will improve your accuracy in pretty short order assuming you are doing it correctly. Then you can worry about other characteristics of the pistol than whether you shoot it accurately enough. Shot placement is all important. If you have to shoot at someone, hit 'em, don't just scare 'em.
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