Ron Paul vs Rick Perry

[RoyGBiv]

Perry represents most of what I believe in.

Anygunanywhere

Honestly.... I'm looking for a reason to like Perry... to think of him as someone who not only possesses the desire but also the skill and fortitude to be the leader that this country needs. While I completely respect your decision to support him, I still don't know why exactly. What does he "represent"?

At the moment, he's more "electable" than Cain, but not more so than Romney.

What specifically has Perry accomplished that would cause someone reading this thread to think of him as the best choice.?

[tbrown]

Just as Obama's 2008 promises were transparently foolish, Romney's proposals are transparently fungible and prima facia, insufficient.

Fungible? Like commodities?

Cain is fairly articulate (there are some nuances about his speaking style that I find annoying, but overall he does a very good job conveying his message, IMO) and his proposals thus far show an understanding of the problem, a direction of attack that is based on both macroeconomic reality and are not tainted by inside-the-beltline political thinking. Cain, IMO, evokes Reagan in that he is clearly guided by his religious compass, but he does not wear it on his sleeve. His "positivity" is engaging, infectious, sorely needed and also evokes Reagan. Cain believes in America, Perry and Romney come across as believing in themselves, primarily. Cain has "been there, done that" in the business world (doing turn-around work requires nuts-and-bolts, hands-on executive skills, not just a spreadsheet and a red pen) and at the Fed, vs. Romney, who is a Missionary, Lawyer, Management Consultant. His job at Bain was purely Finance and M&A, he was a leveraged buyout specialist. As things stand currently, Cain has SUBSTANCE, IMO, YMMV.

He knows finance but I'm not convinced his heart is in the right place on other issues. For example, when he says states should be able to have strict gun control, despite recent SCOTUS opinions.

Cain might be a good Treasury Secretary, especially if ATF is moved to DOJ under a pro-BoR/pro-RKBA AG.

[The Annoyed Man]

Perry represents most of what I believe in.

Anygunanywhere

Honestly.... I'm looking for a reason to like Perry... to think of him as someone who not only possesses the desire but also the skill and fortitude to be the leader that this country needs. While I completely respect your decision to support him, I still don't know why exactly. What does he "represent"?

At the moment, he's more "electable" than Cain, but not more so than Romney.

What specifically has Perry accomplished that would cause someone reading this thread to think of him as the best choice.?

Romney is about to take a dive in the polls:

White House used Mitt Romney health-care law as blueprint for federal law
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44854320/ns ... pS6bevnsQ1

Newly obtained White House records provide fresh details on how senior Obama administration officials used Mitt Romney’s landmark health-care law in Massachusetts as a model for the new federal law, including recruiting some of Romney’s own health care advisers and experts to help craft the act now derided by Republicans as “Obamacare.”

The records, gleaned from White House visitor logs reviewed by NBC News, show that senior White House officials had a dozen meetings in 2009 with three health-care advisers and experts who helped shape the health care reform law signed by Romney in 2006, when the Republican presidential candidate was governor of Massachusetts. One of those meetings, on July 20, 2009, was in the Oval Office and presided over by President Barack Obama, the records show.

“The White House wanted to lean a lot on what we’d done in Massachusetts,” said Jon Gruber, an MIT economist who advised the Romney administration on health care and who attended five meetings at the Obama White House in 2009, including the meeting with the president. “They really wanted to know how we can take that same approach we used in Massachusetts and turn that into a national model.”

My previous posts in this thread give reference to how I feel about Obamneycare. Romney is dead meat. Once this story circulates, he won't be able to get elected dog catcher.

[RoyGBiv]

Just as Obama's 2008 promises were transparently foolish, Romney's proposals are transparently fungible and prima facia, insufficient.

Fungible? Like commodities?

Cain is fairly articulate (there are some nuances about his speaking style that I find annoying, but overall he does a very good job conveying his message, IMO) and his proposals thus far show an understanding of the problem, a direction of attack that is based on both macroeconomic reality and are not tainted by inside-the-beltline political thinking. Cain, IMO, evokes Reagan in that he is clearly guided by his religious compass, but he does not wear it on his sleeve. His "positivity" is engaging, infectious, sorely needed and also evokes Reagan. Cain believes in America, Perry and Romney come across as believing in themselves, primarily. Cain has "been there, done that" in the business world (doing turn-around work requires nuts-and-bolts, hands-on executive skills, not just a spreadsheet and a red pen) and at the Fed, vs. Romney, who is a Missionary, Lawyer, Management Consultant. His job at Bain was purely Finance and M&A, he was a leveraged buyout specialist. As things stand currently, Cain has SUBSTANCE, IMO, YMMV.

He knows finance but I'm not convinced his heart is in the right place on other issues. For example, when he says states should be able to have strict gun control, despite recent SCOTUS opinions.

Cain might be a good Treasury Secretary, especially if ATF is moved to DOJ under a pro-BoR/pro-RKBA AG.

Irony is that his "States Rights" position on RKBA is the most obvious area of disagreement I have with him. I'm for the 10th, but the 2nd comes first.
[I think that's my new sig line]

[RoyGBiv]

Just as Obama's 2008 promises were transparently foolish, Romney's proposals are transparently fungible and prima facia, insufficient.

Fungible? Like commodities?

Intended to mean "exchangeable".. "swappable"...
Maybe I'm not so clean on using that word in this context..

Perhaps "fluid" is better and in keeping with the use of the first letter F..

[anygunanywhere]

What specifically has Perry accomplished that would cause someone reading this thread to think of him as the best choice.?

He is pro-life and more so than any of the others with the exception of Newt Gingrich. Newt is Catholic, as am I, but Perry has a better chance of being elected. The reason Perry has fallen, IMNSHO, is because of the lies in the media and the fact that few who read the lies actually know Rick Perry for who he is.


Anygunanywhere

[Bart]

What specifically has Perry accomplished that would cause someone reading this thread to think of him as the best choice.?

I'm reading this thread on the Texas CHL forum, so my answer is he's the second most pro RKBA candidate.


After Ron Paul.

[Razgriz]

We need to start thinking strategically about who we put up against Obama, and Perry is a losing strategy. Right now the Democrats are irritated at Obama for failing to pull out of Iraq, increasing the power of the executive branch, etc. I could go on but I would be here all night. Long story short is, their are Democrats who will vote Republican *IF* we put up the right candidate and Ron Paul is likely to be the guy. His stances on most things are tolerable at the least to those in the Democratic party, some are outright awesome, and he has the record to prove it. Combine that with the fact that his popularity with the younger voters, and you're looking at alot of Democratic voters hitting for the other team next November. And in the end, if we are talking about taking voters of the oppositions own party, doesn't that mean we've basically won?

[Purplehood]

What specifically has Perry accomplished that would cause someone reading this thread to think of him as the best choice.?

He is pro-life and more so than any of the others with the exception of Newt Gingrich. Newt is Catholic, as am I, but Perry has a better chance of being elected. The reason Perry has fallen, IMNSHO, is because of the lies in the media and the fact that few who read the lies actually know Rick Perry for who he is.


Anygunanywhere

Perry has fallen because he has no public-speaking skills.

[OldCannon]

Perry has fallen because he has no public-speaking skills.

Nope. None to speak of

So, Romney is just a Republodem, who seems to have the love of the MSM, and Perry is pulling himself down every time he talks.

Of course, I'm a heretic and would love to see Gary Johnson get the nomination, but his speaking skills are only marginally better than Perry's (but at least he can run a marathon and climb Mt Everest ).

[mamabearCali]

Perry is simply not a good debater---that does not mean he would not make a good president (I think he would be an amazing president), but sadly it means that all the public sees of him on TV is him falling all over himself. Ron Paul has a similar problem in that he ends up looking like "crazy uncle Ron." Both of them would make good presidents, I just am afraid neither will make it to the top. Right now I could vomit over my alternatives on, but we will see. For the primary it will likely be for me anyone but Romney, and in the General Election I will vote Anyone But Obama.

[OldCannon]

For the primary it will likely be for me anyone but Romney, and in the General Election I will vote Anyone But Obama.

That perfectly summarizes my position as well.

[boba]

I'm voting for a pro gun candidate in November 2012. If the Republicans want my vote, they better nominate someone pro gun.

Here endeth the lesson.

[Dave2]

in the General Election I will vote Anyone But Obama.

I miss my first car. It was a 1977 Volvo 240 that my parents bought before I was born. I had it "on loan" from between when I turned 16, and when I went off to college at 18. Then my sister drove it around for two or three more years until it wouldn't go into reverse anymore. My Dad said that it was still a great car and you just had to "park strategically", but Mom and their mechanic said its time had come. That car ran for 23 years before it finally needed a repair that just cost too much compared to what the car was worth. I suppose it's rusting away in a junkyard somewhere now... and it would still be a better president than Obama.

(Wow, that's a long-winded, round-about way to say , even for me. Do I get a gold star or something? )

[OldCannon]

in the General Election I will vote Anyone But Obama.

I miss my first car. It was a 1977 Volvo 240 that my parents bought before I was born. I had it "on loan" from between when I turned 16, and when I went off to college at 18. Then my sister drove it around for two or three more years until it wouldn't go into reverse anymore. My Dad said that it was still a great car and you just had to "park strategically", but Mom and their mechanic said its time had come. That car ran for 23 years before it finally needed a repair that just cost too much compared to what the car was worth. I suppose it's rusting away in a junkyard somewhere now... and it would still be a better president than Obama.

(Wow, that's a long-winded, round-about way to say , even for me. Do I get a gold star or something? )

Probably no gold star, but that kind of creative writing is better than 98% of the Crayola Journalists we have on news channels these days (and on par with the other 2%).