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Different preferences...
About a month ago, my wife finally decided that she wanted to learn to shoot. She has shot a couple of my pistols before, but never really got into it. Now, it's not that she wants to become a competitive shooter, she just wants to get more familiar and comfortable with guns. Also, she decided that she's ready to take the CHL class, and she wanted some more familiarity before the class.
My pistol collection is nothing compared to most of the people in this forum, and she wanted to stick with only pisols that we already have for now. We got them out one evening, both verified unloaded status, and she held each one to see what she liked. On the first run through, she liked the Kel-Tec P32 for its small size and the Springfield XD9SC for its overall feel. So, off we go to the range to shoot them. As most of you probably know, the little Kel-Tec has marginal sights on it (it is a pocket gun after all), so she didn't much like shooting it. She didn't care much for the Springfield, either.
After that unsuccessful range trip, she decided that perhaps my new Taurus 1911 would be the right one for her to shoot. I had been going on and on about how it was the best shooting gun I ever picked up. Off to the range again. She liked it better than the others, but she flinched quite a bit after just a few rounds -- the recoil was a problem for her. Back at home, I loaded up some light loads for the 1911, tried them myself, and proclaimed them very mild. Back to the range we go with the reduced loads..........and she still doesn't like it any better. This time, the main complaint was the weight of the gun (it is a heavy one). I should mention that there had been several impromptu instructional sessions at the range from various people. I'm not a coach, but several people at the range had attempted to help her. She welcomed the help, but did not seem to make any progress.
After we got back home, I finally said, "Well, there is one more pistol in the safe. It's the cheapest one, the one I've had the longest, and it's by far the ugliest gun, but you're welcome to try it if you like." This ugly, cheap gun is none other than a Hi-Point .380. She liked the way it felt at home, so we went back to the range yesterday. We normally shoot at the Haltom City RPC, which is an outdoor range. I had a conference call I had to be on for work, so I got her set up at the pistol lane and went indoors to call in for my conference call. After about 20 minutes, she came in with the gun all packed up in the range bag and a huge smile on her face. She also had the two paper plates (we use the expensive targets ) that she had shot at. She shot 25 rounds at each plate. The first plate had 19 holes in it and the second one had 24 holes in it! And she had a good time shooting!
Later on, we talked about what made the difference. Unfortunately for our analysis, there were several variables on this trip. She used a different gun -- and she said that this one felt the best overall. Also, no one tried to coach her -- she just did her own thing. She also changed her mentality towards the target -- instead of trying to hit the little circle in the middle of the plate, she said that she visualized a big ugly guy trying to break into our house and she just tried to stop him.
Whatever the reason, I'm just glad that she had a good time! I know the Hi-Point is not a gun for her to carry -- now that she has somewhat of a feel for what she likes, she can start to look around for her own gun. But, at least she has something that she likes to shoot now.
Women -- there's no way to predict what they're gonna like!
My pistol collection is nothing compared to most of the people in this forum, and she wanted to stick with only pisols that we already have for now. We got them out one evening, both verified unloaded status, and she held each one to see what she liked. On the first run through, she liked the Kel-Tec P32 for its small size and the Springfield XD9SC for its overall feel. So, off we go to the range to shoot them. As most of you probably know, the little Kel-Tec has marginal sights on it (it is a pocket gun after all), so she didn't much like shooting it. She didn't care much for the Springfield, either.
After that unsuccessful range trip, she decided that perhaps my new Taurus 1911 would be the right one for her to shoot. I had been going on and on about how it was the best shooting gun I ever picked up. Off to the range again. She liked it better than the others, but she flinched quite a bit after just a few rounds -- the recoil was a problem for her. Back at home, I loaded up some light loads for the 1911, tried them myself, and proclaimed them very mild. Back to the range we go with the reduced loads..........and she still doesn't like it any better. This time, the main complaint was the weight of the gun (it is a heavy one). I should mention that there had been several impromptu instructional sessions at the range from various people. I'm not a coach, but several people at the range had attempted to help her. She welcomed the help, but did not seem to make any progress.
After we got back home, I finally said, "Well, there is one more pistol in the safe. It's the cheapest one, the one I've had the longest, and it's by far the ugliest gun, but you're welcome to try it if you like." This ugly, cheap gun is none other than a Hi-Point .380. She liked the way it felt at home, so we went back to the range yesterday. We normally shoot at the Haltom City RPC, which is an outdoor range. I had a conference call I had to be on for work, so I got her set up at the pistol lane and went indoors to call in for my conference call. After about 20 minutes, she came in with the gun all packed up in the range bag and a huge smile on her face. She also had the two paper plates (we use the expensive targets ) that she had shot at. She shot 25 rounds at each plate. The first plate had 19 holes in it and the second one had 24 holes in it! And she had a good time shooting!
Later on, we talked about what made the difference. Unfortunately for our analysis, there were several variables on this trip. She used a different gun -- and she said that this one felt the best overall. Also, no one tried to coach her -- she just did her own thing. She also changed her mentality towards the target -- instead of trying to hit the little circle in the middle of the plate, she said that she visualized a big ugly guy trying to break into our house and she just tried to stop him.
Whatever the reason, I'm just glad that she had a good time! I know the Hi-Point is not a gun for her to carry -- now that she has somewhat of a feel for what she likes, she can start to look around for her own gun. But, at least she has something that she likes to shoot now.
Women -- there's no way to predict what they're gonna like!
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Re: Different preferences...
Haha. No disrespect meant, but yeah, those Hi-Point .380s aren't the prettiest things on the planet.
Took a little while for my wife to find a gun she liked as well. She's about 5'8" and 120, so not exactly a big gal. I had decided, in all my wisdom, that she needed a .380 or a 9mm, and nothing bigger. She finally settled on her Sig 229 in .40. You just never know...
wrightcrew wrote: But, at least she has something that she likes to shoot now.
Took a little while for my wife to find a gun she liked as well. She's about 5'8" and 120, so not exactly a big gal. I had decided, in all my wisdom, that she needed a .380 or a 9mm, and nothing bigger. She finally settled on her Sig 229 in .40. You just never know...
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I have made the exact same mistake. She ended up liking a 9mm, but I really should have let her make that choice. It was a lesson learned and I will never shop another gun for my wife. She knows how to shoot the gun and pick them out without my help.MrDrummy wrote: I had decided, in all my wisdom, that she needed a .380 or a 9mm, and nothing bigger. She finally settled on her Sig 229 in .40. You just never know...
Teaching her to shoot was another story.....I had to bring in a third party Made my life much easier.
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If I stashed away $1 for every man who's bought a Glock or every woman who's bought a Kahr after shooting one of mine in CHL classes, I could probably buy a Kimber ... In fact after CHL class last weekend, another lady was gonna go looking for a PM-9 - plus a man who liked the size of it better than his Glock ...
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I don't shoot a Glock very often but using them as loaners has made a lot of guy's and gal's go looking for them afterward, especially the Lady LEO's who have shot one of the 19's and the Kahr is getting a following too.Greybeard wrote:If I stashed away $1 for every man who's bought a Glock or every woman who's bought a Kahr after shooting one of mine in CHL classes, I could probably buy a Kimber ... In fact after CHL class last weekend, another lady was gonna go looking for a PM-9 - plus a man who liked the size of it better than his Glock ...
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Yer fitting in just nicely!!!eagleeye wrote:You should just charge $1 try out fee from now on and in another 10 -15 years you can go buy that Kimber.
You would be to old to shoot it. But it would be purdy.
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the Sig 232....nice .380...wife like the weight and lack of recoil harshness... She has been hesitant to shoot the 229R 9mm which has very little recoil and dead on.
She has her CHL and really like the 232 by Sig...." I love my James Bond gun!", she retorts!
She has her CHL and really like the 232 by Sig...." I love my James Bond gun!", she retorts!
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My wife is also partial to the Hi-point .380. She shot her first perfect score with one.
It's a realatively heavy, blowback, with a 'fixed barrel'. So, recoil is low, recovery is quick, and there is accuracy to be had even with point shooting.
Plus, it is extremely simple to operate.
The Bersa .380, S&W Sigma .380 might be close. But I think both may have stiffer recoil.
My wife shoots a full size Taurus 92FS now.. We are looking for alternates for carry. I though she was going to get a S&W Airweight in .38, but my mouthy cousin said, "It only weighs 12 ounces, and kicks like a mule!" There went the "His & Her's" matching Airweights...
It's a realatively heavy, blowback, with a 'fixed barrel'. So, recoil is low, recovery is quick, and there is accuracy to be had even with point shooting.
Plus, it is extremely simple to operate.
The Bersa .380, S&W Sigma .380 might be close. But I think both may have stiffer recoil.
My wife shoots a full size Taurus 92FS now.. We are looking for alternates for carry. I though she was going to get a S&W Airweight in .38, but my mouthy cousin said, "It only weighs 12 ounces, and kicks like a mule!" There went the "His & Her's" matching Airweights...
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other choices
Wrightcrew, I am probably local to you and have a few other choices you are welcome to try:
Keltec P3AT with grip-lip extension
Keltec P11 with grip-lip
I also have extended/lipped magazines for P32.
Makes a big diff
Also have S&W .38 K-frame and a P89DC Ruger, but both have larger grips.
My wife took her CHL with the Ruger, though she had never fired it before. She likes her Colt Agent .38 revolver just fine, but it hurts my hand and I don't like to shoot it.
PM me if you want to check any of those out.
Might cost you a guest pass to the HCRP range sometime. I've been thinking of checking that out since the range is just down 121 from my workplace.
Keltec P3AT with grip-lip extension
Keltec P11 with grip-lip
I also have extended/lipped magazines for P32.
Makes a big diff
Also have S&W .38 K-frame and a P89DC Ruger, but both have larger grips.
My wife took her CHL with the Ruger, though she had never fired it before. She likes her Colt Agent .38 revolver just fine, but it hurts my hand and I don't like to shoot it.
PM me if you want to check any of those out.
Might cost you a guest pass to the HCRP range sometime. I've been thinking of checking that out since the range is just down 121 from my workplace.
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She should try the Taurus PT111MP. It has very slender grips for lady hands and the felt recoil isnt bad cause its a 9. There very simple to shoot and take down as well. EDIT: by the way congrats on the wife shooting. i cant even get my wife to hold mine(my pistols, you dirty mines)...she doesnt want anything to do with guns.
Hey Rex B, is Rex your first or last name? and where is that HCRP range, off 121? Is that near to Frisco?
Hey Rex B, is Rex your first or last name? and where is that HCRP range, off 121? Is that near to Frisco?
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Rex is my first name.
The HCRP range is at the Minnis exit on 121 coming our of downtown Fort Worth headed toward NE Mall/Hurst. . You turn South on Minnis, and it dead-ends into the parking lot in about 100 feet. You can see the firing line structure from the freeway.
Nowhere near Frisco.
Rex is my first name.
The HCRP range is at the Minnis exit on 121 coming our of downtown Fort Worth headed toward NE Mall/Hurst. . You turn South on Minnis, and it dead-ends into the parking lot in about 100 feet. You can see the firing line structure from the freeway.
Nowhere near Frisco.
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“Sometimes there is no alternative to uncertainty except to await the arrival of more and better data.” C. Wunsch
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