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If this is in the wrong place or has been broached before, I apologize, I am not good with the search function.

I will be traveling with teen girls and moms to Washington DC this summer. To say I am "anxious" is putting it lightly. For the first time in over a year I will be disarmed for an extended period of time, for the 5th (yes 5th) time in my life I will be flying, and the first time flying since 1998 (I don't get out much, and am happy with that!)

Any tips, suggestions on what I can take with me so I don't feel like I have a target painted on me? Can't take pepper spray as it has to be registered with Metro Police. joked about sending in the registration stating when I would be there. Thought about a kuboton, but am aware that training is best and don't know when/where I would get that.

Thoughts and suggestions appreciated on surviving the airports! :tiphat:
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I went through Dallas to Dulles, in September, I was very impressed and met nothing but the nicest people, for a WHOLE week, I would go again tomorrow if I could, Dulles must be one of the nicest airports around. Remember to put you walking shoes on.
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I assume you're going for some sort of educational purpose or event. Do you have any choice when it comes to airports and hotels? IAD (Dulles) is in VA where gun laws are pretty reasonable. BWI is in Baltimore, nuff said. DCA (Reagan) is my choice because it's on a METRO line but I travel light, which may not be an option traveling with teen girls. :lol:

I was last in the DC area three years ago. I won't say what I did or didn't carry in the District because I don't want to hijack your thread. I will say that Washington DC has areas that are less safe and areas that are less unsafe, like any big city. If you're there as a tourist, it's reasonably easy to avoid the worst areas of DC. There's also no problem carrying in VA with a Texas CHL and that's a good reason to stay in a hotel there. Yankee Maryland and the District are a different story obviously.
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We were recently in DC for 3 days as part of a longer trip that also took us to Philadelphia and New York City. I didn't like being disarmed the entire time either, but I can tell you we felt safer in DC than we did in any other place we went. We did stay in a good area (Dupont Circle) about 2 metro stops from the national mall and pretty much kept to the tourist areas. I'm sure that was a large part of it, but I can say the same thing about New York and that was a completely different story.
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I'd recommend flying into Dulles and staying in Virginia. Use public trans to do what you need to do in D.C., and get back across the border as soon as possible. The areas outside of D.C. are all pretty much commuter towns, so public trans (metro trains, etc) are heavily used by workers in D.C. and not a bunch of riff-raff. Rush hour traffic is up there with THE worst in the nation, so driving will be a nightmare should you opt to rent a car. Fairfax county is where I would stay, outside of Dulles.

D.C. is probably the only American city that I can actually stand, as it has history, and NO building can be taller than the Washington monument. However, outside of the government zone, you are talking some hard core ghetto areas that NEED to be avoided. Most of the Ghetto riff-raff avoid the government / mall areas, and I have never had a problem there, day or night. Georgetown, and some of the other "non-ghetto" areas, can be potentially hazardous depending on the time of day, due to the ghetto bleed over effect, and the fact that those areas aren't as heavily patrolled by LEO's.

If you don't plan on bringing arms and leaving them in Virginia, look into a hefty walking stick for your travels in the district. While the threat is relatively low IMO, as somebody once said, "There's nothing like a good piece of hickory..." should you fail to have proper arms.

I would agree that Dulles is an excellent airport, and that part of town is very civil. Reagan National IS the most convenient for the district, and I wouldn't fly into BWI if you paid me.
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We will be staying in DC as far as I know - it is a "package" so I do not have the choice of staying in VA. We will be sightseeing, monuments, Smithsonian and the like. It is the 100th Anniversary of the GirlScouts - a week with teens, all prayers appreciated.

I had not thought about a walking stick! I have old knees, and that would be fab! I have a monopod for my camera that is stout and collapsible - it would pack in my checked bag, and carries well in my camera back pack! I so had not thought about it! Thanks Dan!
Maybe I will send Dad and stay home and handle the farm, LOL!

Thanks for all the replies - any ideas and suggestions from more seasoned travelers GREATLY appreciated!
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Don't forget--you can take a cane "to help those knees" onto a plane
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...the first night there, find out where the diplomats drink...and engage yerself a thug with a full auto machine pistol hanging under his arm(say, from one of those Eastern countries) and dump him when it's time to come home...they can carry ANYTHING , you know..

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JustMe wrote:Don't forget--you can take a cane "to help those knees" onto a plane
:iagree: :iagree:

And you can have a cane ANYWHERE you choose to go...a good walking cane is a formidable umm..well, you know...:)
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Ldy AlliDu wrote:I went through Dallas to Dulles, in September, I was very impressed and met nothing but the nicest people, for a WHOLE week, I would go again tomorrow if I could, Dulles must be one of the nicest airports around. Remember to put you walking shoes on.
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I'm sure you've thought about it, but allow me to echo the basics about DC.
I work for Uncle Sam and I go to DC every year.

You are not the target, your distracted teens are. My friends that work in DC don't carry purses. They don't worry about muggers, they worry about snatch and grab artists. Pickpockets are thick as fleas in crowded places like pubs, dance venues, and demonstrations. It's best to carry nothing that can be easily snatched. My friends in DC use backpacks and roller cases if necessary. Avoid areas away from tourist areas and popular venues, the whole environment can change in the space of a city block. After dark I only recommend taxis. The Metro is okay as long as your hotel is only a stop or two away. Obviously, my situational awareness goes hyper in DC.

One last point, you and the girls are from Texas. That means distance is no big deal to you. Folks living in DC do everything within a few blocks. Food, lodging, entertainment, and work are within a mile of them. So you and the girls will see several micro environments as you walk around DC. An area that looks okay in the daylight can become VERY scary after dark with no one on the streets.

Drill the girls to stay in groups and get back to base before dark. DC is very educational and offers lots of fun and excitement. Just be careful and keep your SA turned on.
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We camp hosted in Grayson Highlands SP in SW Virginia in October of '09. We're still kickin' ourselves for not touring the nation's capital when we were so close.

If y'all will stay alert, use some common sense and stay in the tourist areas, you'll be okay. ENJOY! :patriot:

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Here's some indestructible canes for ya. Not very feminine but very functional.
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Diesel42 wrote:I'm sure you've thought about it, but allow me to echo the basics about DC.
I work for Uncle Sam and I go to DC every year.

You are not the target, your distracted teens are. My friends that work in DC don't carry purses. They don't worry about muggers, they worry about snatch and grab artists. Pickpockets are thick as fleas in crowded places like pubs, dance venues, and demonstrations. It's best to carry nothing that can be easily snatched. My friends in DC use backpacks and roller cases if necessary. Avoid areas away from tourist areas and popular venues, the whole environment can change in the space of a city block. After dark I only recommend taxis. The Metro is okay as long as your hotel is only a stop or two away. Obviously, my situational awareness goes hyper in DC.

One last point, you and the girls are from Texas. That means distance is no big deal to you. Folks living in DC do everything within a few blocks. Food, lodging, entertainment, and work are within a mile of them. So you and the girls will see several micro environments as you walk around DC. An area that looks okay in the daylight can become VERY scary after dark with no one on the streets.

Drill the girls to stay in groups and get back to base before dark. DC is very educational and offers lots of fun and excitement. Just be careful and keep your SA turned on.
Happy Trails! N

I policed SW and SE DC as part of MPD for 8 years, and as long as you stay in the decent areas in daylight, Diesel42 is spot on. I'd avoid the Metro in the late evening hours, as the cars are less crowded and some bands of 'feral youth' do cruise the Metro system for easy marks late at night.

As far as weapons go, DC is definitely CCW free. I saw the registration requirement referenced in this thread and that is an accurate assessment of pepper spray/mace possession in the District limits. Exceptions to prohibited weapons statutes are listed under Title 22:

22-4514. Possession of certain dangerous weapons prohibited; exceptions.
(a) No person shall within the District of Columbia possess any machine gun, sawed-off shotgun, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, sand club, sandbag, switchblade knife, or metal knuckles, nor any instrument, attachment, or appliance for causing the firing of any firearm to be silent or intended to lessen or muffle the noise of the firing of any firearms; provided, however, that machine guns, or sawed-off shotguns, and blackjacks may be possessed by the members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps of the United States, the National Guard, or Organized Reserves when on duty, the Post Office Department or its employees when on duty, marshals, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen, or other duly-appointed law enforcement officers, including any designated civilian employee of the Metropolitan Police Department, or officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry such weapons, banking institutions, public carriers who are engaged in the business of transporting mail, money, securities, or other valuables, wholesale dealers and retail dealers licensed under § 22-4510.
(b) No person shall within the District of Columbia possess, with intent to use unlawfully against another [emphasis mine], an imitation pistol, or a dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife with a blade longer than 3 inches, or other dangerous weapon.
(c) Whoever violates this section shall be punished as provided in § 22-4515 unless the violation occurs after such person has been convicted in the District of Columbia of a violation of this section, or of a felony, either in the District of Columbia or in another jurisdiction, in which case such person shall be imprisoned for not more than 10 years.

So about the best you will be able to do without having to explain why you are carrying it is a knife with blade length of 3" or less. Or a cane, etc...
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The other advantage of a cane is that occasionally the airlines and security folks will treat you as disabled and give you better treatment. I always carry a cane when I fly and have had this happen several times. Since I didn't claim to be disabled, I also didn't disabuse them of the notion. Really helped get onto the flights.
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