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Sorry never been to motherjones site, but I have listened to all of the 911 calls that I believe have been released and I haven't heard anything supporting who approached who. I guess that's because all of the released calls, that I've heard, were placed either after the fight started or shots fired.smoothoperator wrote:It's in the recordings on legitimate news sites. I don't know if it's in the Mother Jones recording.
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SANFORD — Sanford city commissioners have voted "no confidence" in police Chief Bill Lee Jr., who has been publicly lambasted for his department's handling of the fatal shooting of Miami teenager Trayvon Martin.
Commissioner Mark McCarty made the motion to fire the chief, who has been on the job just 10 months. Mayor Jeff Triplett and Commissioner Velma Williams voted with the majority.
I'm not surprised people are calling for "justice" instead of a trial.
drjoker wrote:I just listened to the 911 call and the kid was clearly yelling, "help!" in a high pitched tone. Zimmerman is too big and old to emit such a high pitched whine. Only a skinny 17 yr old would yell for help like that. "help, bang, silence" is not self-defense. i just hope that this idiot doesn't cause a flurry of politicial activity that will end up taking away our right to carry licenses for all of us law abiding citizens. an idiot like this ruined gun rights in Australia, Britain, etc.
Clearly? So you've seen conclusive evidence no one else (including police and prosecutors) have seen?The Mad Moderate wrote:This was clearly a bad shoot, he should not of followed him, he should not of killed hime. I hope this guy rots in jail. He makes all the responsible CHLs look bad.
Florida Section XLVI 776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
smoothoperator wrote:It's in the recordings on legitimate news sites. I don't know if it's in the Mother Jones recording.
Let me ask you this, have you ever heard Mike Tyson speak? He was the biggest, baddest, toughest heavyweight boxing champ on Earth at on time, and after every fight he opened his mouth and a 9-year-old girl spoke (maybe he swallowed her and let her speak for him?drjoker wrote:I just listened to the 911 call and the kid was clearly yelling, "help!" in a high pitched tone. Zimmerman is too big and old to emit such a high pitched whine. Only a skinny 17 yr old would yell for help like that. "help, bang, silence" is not self-defense.
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The two witnesses who were at the home that Martin was shot at (in the backyard) state that Zimmerman was sitting (straddling) a face down Martin immediately after the shot was fired…..240lbs man sitting on the back of a 140lbs teen doesn’t sound like self defense to me but you draw your own conclusion…Beiruty wrote:When the shot was taken, was the shooter laying on his back? And, Mr. Martin was on top, still throwing punches? What about the entrance and exit of the bullet? What happened to the autopsy for the young man?
Jusster wrote:The two witnesses who were at the home that Martin was shot at (in the backyard) state that Zimmerman was sitting (straddling) a face down Martin immediately after the shot was fired…..240lbs man sitting on the back of a 140lbs teen doesn’t sound like self defense to me but you draw your own conclusion…Beiruty wrote:When the shot was taken, was the shooter laying on his back? And, Mr. Martin was on top, still throwing punches? What about the entrance and exit of the bullet? What happened to the autopsy for the young man?
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Stop wondering and check out the media coverage when Erik Scott was killed. He was gunned down on his way home shopping too.Oldgringo wrote: I wonder what would've been the outcry if Travon had been a white boy? Just askin'...
Even in the precense of Chuck Norris, John Wayne would not have been in danger...I can only imagine them to be natural allies of the finest kind...of course, its probably best they weren't together, the planet might not have been able to handle that much raw power in one place!A-R wrote:Let me ask you this, have you ever heard Mike Tyson speak? He was the biggest, baddest, toughest heavyweight boxing champ on Earth at on time, and after every fight he opened his mouth and a 9-year-old girl spoke (maybe he swallowed her and let her speak for him?drjoker wrote:I just listened to the 911 call and the kid was clearly yelling, "help!" in a high pitched tone. Zimmerman is too big and old to emit such a high pitched whine. Only a skinny 17 yr old would yell for help like that. "help, bang, silence" is not self-defense.
All joking aside, any layman's opinion of what they believe a particular voice under distress sounded like in comparison to non-stressed voices they've previously heard is ludicrous. John Wayne might sound like Michael Jackson if he thought his life was truly in danger and was screaming desperately for help.
Of course, we've never heard John Wayne scream because his life could never actually be in danger (unless Chuck Norris was around
