APD Shot and killed buddy's dog

[speedsix]

...only dog lovers understand how much you can love a dog...I hope I die before my two do...if one of my dogs would be shot wrongly, I'd probably be a baaaaaaaaaad man...this is highly emotional from all perspectives, but more people are upset about the dog than that a man minding his own business on his own property got to look down the big black hole for no good reason...and that's really the bigger issue...and needs the most corrective action...humans ARE still more valuable than dogs...I think...

[gigag04]

OK folks, the thread is starting to heat up. Keep the dicussions civil, no LEO bashing and we will be good. Otherwise, the thread will be locked.

Yeah I'm done. I think it has run its course.

[sjfcontrol]

...only dog lovers understand how much you can love a dog...I hope I die before my two do...if one of my dogs would be shot wrongly, I'd probably be a baaaaaaaaaad man...this is highly emotional from all perspectives, but more people are upset about the dog than that a man minding his own business on his own property got to look down the big black hole for no good reason...and that's really the bigger issue...and needs the most corrective action...humans ARE still more valuable than dogs...I think...

Umm, depends on the human, and whether the evaluator is a dog owner.

[anygunanywhere]

I've read pretty much every one of the posts here.

Mrs. Anygun and I are dog people. Our current pet (not a family member, not a person. A dog.) is an inheritance from a deceased dear friend. Teddy is a Bichon Frise. He has a unique personality and keeps me in stitches most of the time. Mrs. Anygun loves him.

He is a dog. He is not people.

Our previous dog was a male Weimeraner, Gunner. The day I had him put down was one of the worst days of my life.

He was a dog. He was not people.

I am of the mind set that there is no dog worth a person. Gunner bit me. He bit multiple people. He had his dog reasons at the time for why he bit.

Regradless of how I feel about any animal, they are never going to be more valuable than a human person. Any human. They are animals.

The officer in question is wrong in what he did, probably more in how he did it. Not everyone is cut out to be an LEO. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor either. People often make it into professions they do not belong in and most eventually are eliminated due to incidents like this. It is unfortunate but it happens.

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom. Most of this has been done by the same individuals who are quick to scream when someone who shares our love of the 2A and firearms is treated in this manner by those who seek our demise.

How about a little fairness and forgiveness?

The man who shot the dog will be living with this for a long time.

My sincerest sympathy goes out to the owner of the dog. He should not have been drawn down on either.

In the same vein my sympathy goes out to the LEO as well.

Love your neighbor as yourself, and let's not allow this incident to taint our respect and feelings for LEO.

Anygunanywhere

[matriculated]

...only dog lovers understand how much you can love a dog...I hope I die before my two do...if one of my dogs would be shot wrongly, I'd probably be a baaaaaaaaaad man...this is highly emotional from all perspectives, but more people are upset about the dog than that a man minding his own business on his own property got to look down the big black hole for no good reason...and that's really the bigger issue...and needs the most corrective action...humans ARE still more valuable than dogs...I think...

Two great points. Only a dog lover can understand that a dog can truly be a family member, and an equally important issue is the pointing of a gun at a man minding his own business in his front yard. There was a breakdown somewhere.

[mamabearCali]

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom. Most of this has been done by the same individuals who are quick to scream when someone who shares our love of the 2A and firearms is treated in this manner by those who seek our demise.

How about a little fairness and forgiveness?

The man who shot the dog will be living with this for a long time.

My sincerest sympathy goes out to the owner of the dog. He should not have been drawn down on either.

In the same vein my sympathy goes out to the LEO as well.

Love your neighbor as yourself, and let's not allow this incident to taint our respect and feelings for LEO.

Anygunanywhere

Pretty Bloody there.....not sure I would want that to happen to anyone. As for the LEO in this case. The department has apologized, now if they replace the dog and give the officer some additional field training. Maybe tag along with a K-9 patrol and learn to not freak out on calls I am good. I don't even want him suspended or fired, just some additional training. That is a long way from calling for death and dismemberment. I don't think it is LEO bashing to state that you think this particular situation was handled improperly and thus resulted in a tragic loss for the homeowner, and that the department should do what it can to make the situation right.

[jmra]

I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

[matriculated]

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom.

Mother of hyperbole...

So wait, does that make him a zombie now? Because he's still walking around and stuff.

[jmra]

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom.

Mother of hyperbole...

So wait, does that make him a zombie now? Because he's still walking around and stuff.

I for one fail to see humor in any of this.

[anygunanywhere]

I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

Anygunanywhere

[jmra]

I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

Anygunanywhere

How many shoot little dogs? Not being sarcastic, truly curious.

[matriculated]

The real issue here as I see it is that this LEO has been drawn, quartered, charged, tried, convicted, and executed without ever being in a courtroom.

Mother of hyperbole...

So wait, does that make him a zombie now? Because he's still walking around and stuff.

I for one fail to see humor in any of this.

I don't see any humor in the circumstances of what happened. I find those to be truly tragic and entirely avoidable. What I can't help but chuckle at (for lack of a better response) is this mentality that if one criticizes an LEO's actions, he's automatically engaging in "LEO bashing," or worse yet drawing, quartering, charging, trying, convicting, and executing the said LEO. This forum is ridiculously strict on treatment of LEO's, and the idea that LEO bashing on such a scale would be allowed for the duration of this thread is preposterous on its face. Everybody has been very respectful generally speaking, but there seems to be a consensus that the specific actions this LEO undertook were wrongheaded, and resulted in loss of a doggie companion. I agree with the consensus. This officer seems a little edgy to begin with (drawing on a man in his front yard immediately) and on top of that he seems to have an inordinate amount of fear of dogs. I don't know if it's a phobia, but shooting a dog in a split-second, especially under the circumstances, points to a fear of dogs. I don't know what needs to happen. Maybe this officer needs to be desensitized to dogs, overcome his fear somehow. Maybe he needs to find another line of work, or at least do something else in the context of law enforcement. Nobody is asking for him to be quartered or executed or any of that. Even the dog's owner only says that he wants "something positive to come out of this." Sounds hardly like asking for the officer's head on a plate. Something should be done, I just don't know what exactly.

[anygunanywhere]

I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

Anygunanywhere

How many shoot little dogs? Not being sarcastic, truly curious.

Someone posted links to incidents and statistics. Your post was about shooting humans not dogs which is what I responded to. In an earlier lifetime I was drawn on by LEO on multiple occasions. I complied with what they told me to do. I was not shot.

Anygunanywhere

[C-dub]

I can't help but think that if the dog had not been there to "take a bullet" we might be talking about a dead man instead of a dead dog.

Anything is possible, but I think that is a stretch. How often do LEO draw their weapons? How often do citizens draw to defend themselves and how few are actually shot?

Anygunanywhere

How many shoot little dogs? Not being sarcastic, truly curious.

My guess is and that's all it is, is that most of the dogs shot by police are under 50 pounds. However, that may just be because most people have dogs that are under 50 pounds.

[jimlongley]

It's amazing isn't it? ....letter carriers, deliverymen, repairmen, meter readers, all manage to routinely enter property where there are dogs, and they never shoot them --basically, because you can't run a business and get away with shooting people's dogs. The police shoot dogs for one reason....they can....there are no consequences, so they get away with it. If, for example, the city, or whatever government agency, had to cough up a cool million to animal rescue groups every time they killed a dog like this --due to their own negligence-- these kinds of dog killings would cease over night. Or take a chunk of change right out of the budget of the offending department.....the incentive of the police is shoot a dog rather than accept any risk of attack, however small, because it costs them nothing when they make a mistake.

In my 28 years as a telephone man, I was bitten several times on the job. Company rules forbade my suing even in the most egregious situations, such as when I told the owner that the (barking, growling, scrabbling to get out of owner's arms) dog had to be put in another room while I was there. She insisted her little miniature poodle was no threat to anyone, and as soon as I got inside the house, she turned the dog loose from the kitchen, and it ran over and bit me on the knee. By the time I got to the hospital to get the wound cleaned and stitched, and the hospital, following protocol reported the bite to animal control, she had called the VP complaint line at the phone company, and lodged an official complaint about me slamming a door on her dog. Guess who wound up in trouble?

I have backed down a lot of dogs and I have been cornered, and I have been surprised and bit on the butt (twice, in vastly different situations) and I have given the speech about putting the dog in another secure area more times than I can count.

I still think the officer did wrong, particularly considering the timing of the shooting.