New Jersey Follows NYC with idiotic laws. Dog owners beware

[puma guy]

For the people that drive around with a dog in the back of the truck. The man says I only seen one brought in to the vets office… well yea the rest were road pizza. They usually don’t make it and when they do fall out it makes a heck of a road bump and the people behind him are the ones that have to swerve to avoid the animal and that puts them in danger

Unless you have data to support the claim that they all end up as road pizza I seriously doubt that happens to all but the one that was brought into the vet. In the first place animals have a much different physiology than humans. Weight to bone strength and having four legs give them the abilty to absorb shock much greater than us. Also, weighing less the impact is not as dramatic. Cats survive falls from 30 story buildings. My point is that animals survive trauma you and I might succumb to were circumstances purportionally equal. I wonder what the laws are for people riding in the back of a truck? (rhetorical - no need to answer)
Back to OP topic... the law is to protect the animal while riding, not keep idiots from letting their pet cause an accident. We'll need more laws to protect us from idiots. NJ and NYC will probably be the first to write one.

[barstoolguru]

Law is order in liberty, and without order liberty is social chaos. -Archbishop Ireland

Law is order, and good law is good order. -Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC), Politics

It is the spirit and not the form of law that keeps justice alive. -Earl Warren (1891 - 1974)

Good laws lead to the making of better ones; bad ones bring about worse. -Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712 - 1778)

People love laws when they work for them and hate them when they work against them- barstoolguru (1959- present)

[barstoolguru]

For the people that drive around with a dog in the back of the truck. The man says I only seen one brought in to the vets office… well yea the rest were road pizza. They usually don’t make it and when they do fall out it makes a heck of a road bump and the people behind him are the ones that have to swerve to avoid the animal and that puts them in danger

Unless you have data to support the claim that they all end up as road pizza I seriously doubt that happens to all but the one that was brought into the vet. In the first place animals have a much different physiology than humans. Weight to bone strength and having four legs give them the abilty to absorb shock much greater than us. Also, weighing less the impact is not as dramatic. Cats survive falls from 30 story buildings. My point is that animals survive trauma you and I might succumb to were circumstances purportionally equal. I wonder what the laws are for people riding in the back of a truck? (rhetorical - no need to answer)
Back to OP topic... the law is to protect the animal while riding, not keep idiots from letting their pet cause an accident. We'll need more laws to protect us from idiots. NJ and NYC will probably be the first to write one.

How to Safely Transport a Dog in a Truck

By Brooke Turner, eHow Contributor

Help your dog avoid death or injury by transporting them safely in your pickup truck.

More than 100,000 dogs die each year from falling out of pickup trucks, according to Joanne Helperin of Edmunds.com. Although it is not recommended by most experts to allow a dog to ride in the back of a pickup truck, there is a relatively safe way to transport your dog in a pickup truck. Keep in mind that some states have laws that do not allow dogs to ride in the back of a pickup truck at all.


thats a lot of road pizzathats 99,999 more then the 1 thats someone claims


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[speedsix]

...edmunds.com is a car buying site...what an expert on dogs...not...

[barstoolguru]

http://www.ehow.com/how_7769472_safely- ... truck.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

here it is again... works for me

[speedsix]

http://www.ehow.com/how_7769472_safely- ... truck.html

...Ehow is unverified opinions from folks like us...I've found a lot of wrong answers there...the link mentioned there is a CAR buying site...more reliable info can be found on the wall of a phone booth...there may be sources out there to back up your post...but this ain't one of them...

...this http://tex.wrytestuff.com/swa564464-Emp ... o-Dowm.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; is enlightening on "statistics" and specifically dissects the 100,000 per year claim you can find on the web...it just ain't so...

[barstoolguru]

here is your one dog falling out of a P/U

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here is another one....

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[Oldgringo]

Does gazillionaire Mayor Bloomberberg who lives just across the river from J'oisey not like dahgs either?

[speedsix]

here is your one dog falling out of a P/U

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here is another one....

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...YOUTUBE VIDEOS??? if that's the verification you use, I'm outa this one... (your second link isn't even "another one"...it's an ad about a Canadian law put out by the SPCA...and shows NOTHING of what you claim...that ain't doin' your homework, and it won't prove your point...)

[Oldgringo]

here is your one dog falling out of a P/U

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here is another one....

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...YOUTUBE VIDEOS??? if that's the verification you use, I'm outa this one... (your second link isn't even "another one"...it's an ad about a Canadian law put out by the SPCA...and shows NOTHING of what you claim...that ain't doin' your homework, and it won't prove your point...)

For the record: I am very much opposed to animal cruelty - in any form or fashion. In fact, I was threatened with banishment (from Texas CHL) in a recent thread wherein I took exception to what I perceived as a photo depicting cruel and inhumane treatment to a domestic feline.

That said, we see dogs up here (Montana) with their heads out the windows and dogs down there (Pineywoods) in the back of pickups. The dogs seem to enjoy it. The owners are responsible to man and God... and, that's the way it is, Good Night.

[barstoolguru]

That said, we see dogs up here (Montana) with their heads out the windows and dogs down there (Pineywoods) in the back of pickups. The dogs seem to enjoy it. The owners are responsible to man and God... and, that's the way it is, Good Night.

We've all seen dogs riding in the back of pickup trucks as the trucks fly down the highway. The dogs look to be having fun, but by living in the fast lane they risk injury from flying objects. Eye injuries are common, but there is an even greater danger: according to a California state legislator, approximately 100,000 dogs a year nationwide are killed because they jump or are thrown from a pickup. There's no reliable way of estimating how much damage and how many serious accidents such incidents cause.
Many local and state governments, and some states, now regulate how dogs can be carried in pickup beds. California, for example, requires dogs in the open back of a pickup to be either in a cage or cross-tied to the truck unless the sides of the truck are at least 46 inches high. The laws don't apply to cattle or sheep dogs being used by farmers and ranchers. Violators can be fined $50 to $100 for a first offense and up to $250 for a third offense. (Cal. Vehicle Code sections 23117, 42001.4.)
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[mamabearCali]

I am all for retraining your pets in the car. But do we really need another nanny state laws? How about this.....put out a PSA informing the public of how to properly restrain pets in the car then let people be responsible. The fact that the fine is so high tells me this is a revenue stream, not for public saftey. How I hate NJ.

[Oldgringo]

Point taken, barstool; however, the defunct state of Kaliforina, land of fruits and nuts, is not where I look for guidance or inspiration.

[canvasbck]

We don't need more government intervention but you have to look at it this way too that there are a lot of people that drive with dogs in their laps or hanging on them. That makes a road hazard to the rest of us. The last thing I want to worry about is some blue hair having her little labra doddle clawing her already weak shaky arms and hands while she is plowing I-35 so little pookey can get his anal glands expressed.

For the people that drive around with a dog in the back of the truck. The man says I only seen one brought in to the vets office… well yea the rest were road pizza. They usually don’t make it and when they do fall out it makes a heck of a road bump and the people behind him are the ones that have to swerve to avoid the animal and that puts them in danger
So IF not for the safety of the animal maybe for the other people that share the road

Nor do I want to have to worry about the teenager who must answer her latest text because "OMG, bobby dumped Sally", Or the dude craining his neck to see the hot chick walking down the seawall plows into folks waiting at the stop light. But I don't want laws FORCING behaviors.

Sooooooooooo many liberties are lost when we start trying to pass laws just to protect people from their own or other people's stupidity. You do realize that (overall, not just traffic accidents) when people get hurt, 95% of the time it is because they did something themselves to cause the accident. Only about 4% of the time they get hurt from someone else doing something to them. The other 1%...........stuff just happened.

It’s a crying shame we need laws to regulate the population but they are needed because as the world gets more complicated it is needed or otherwise we would have a lawless sociality. Before the car was invented we had no need for laws regulating them then the first man was run over and then the laws to protect the citizen from the sloppy driver.

you mention the man rubbernecking a woman; there will never be a law to stop that because you can’t prove it. Texting...if it was never invented we wouldn't need a law to say you can't do it while driving. Common sense says it dangerous but yet 10 of thousands do it every day and cause accident and people get hurt. so yes there needs to be a law against it because people can't be trusted.

Same with dogs in cars... why should they not be strapped down... why? You have to have a seat belt, your kids have to have a child safety seat? But your dog can just run around the vehicle and be an obstruction while you are driving.
Your right it’s only a problem IF YOU get run over. If someone else gets hit because of their dog it’s OK because it’s not you.
REmember driving is a privilege and it’s not your constitutional right

I couldn't disagree more. It is NOT the government's job to idiot proof everything.

I'll oversimplify things here. If you try to idiot proof something, they will build a better idiot.

ETA: If you can produce some data showing that unrestrained dogs cause more injury accidents than other commonly performed distractions such as applying makeup, changing CD's, talking on a cellphone, ect. you could possibly sway me on this........................ok, you can't sway me, but I will stop arguing against more freedom grabbing laws.

[puma guy]

thats a lot of road pizzathats 99,999 more then the 1 thats someone claimsl

Before you start quoting me please get the facts correct. I never said anything about dogs falling out of trucks in my anecdote. The dog I referenced was injured in a car wreck as stated in the story. I still don't see the data you are quoting for 100,000 dogs dying as a result of falling out of a vehicle, truck or otherwise. I did read the blog on the Parade story which quoted Humane Society information about 100,000. I don't know if those are the same "facts" you refer to from Edmunds.

While they don't let them fall out of trucks ask the Humane Society how many animals they euthanize a year nationally. Years and years ago there was a real Humane Society in Houston. I know because I spent many hours helping my dad perform pro bono services for them. The gentleman that ran it (a retired attorney) would never have an animal put down unless it couldn't be saved and that was precious few. As Forrest Gump says. That's all I have to say 'bout that!