obamacare upheld

[pinkpistol]

So yes, I am more annoyed in the past 2 days than at any other time in my politically conscious career, and I am very, VERY afraid for the nation because fools are pushing us into ever more foolishness until we run headlong over the cliff of dissolution. All because people are just too proud to admit that they were wrong. And that is how great evil becomes an innate part of society.

Very sorry for you. This is not exactly what all people believe about governing. You have demonized too far.
Come back.

[Winchster]

236 years. It was a good run.

Are you serious??
Nevermind.

Absolutely serious.

[Kythas]

I hope and pray for secession or any other scenario in which our great state tells the Feds in DC to fly a kite.

236 years. It was a good run.

[The Annoyed Man]

So yes, I am more annoyed in the past 2 days than at any other time in my politically conscious career, and I am very, VERY afraid for the nation because fools are pushing us into ever more foolishness until we run headlong over the cliff of dissolution. All because people are just too proud to admit that they were wrong. And that is how great evil becomes an innate part of society.

Very sorry for you. This is not exactly what all people believe about governing. You have demonized too far.
Come back.

Being too willing to compromise too much too often for too long with people who are looking for something for nothing is what got us to this point. I am VERY willing to talk about good governance and put the principles of good governance into action. This is why I'm no longer willing to compromise. If you're in support of the healthcare bill, then yes, I've demonized you. I'm not going to lie about it and say that I feel any different than I do. We now live in intersting times—in the sense of the old Chinese curse—and progressivism (which is what we call "liberalism" today) got us here. FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society, and now Obama's Hopey Changey are all examples of this. The last democrat president who had any financial sense or an understanding of the evils of socialism/communism was Jack Kennedy (who was a Life Member of the NRA, by the way). Others in this and the previous century have simply squandered the legacies built by their republican predecessors. Even Clinton, under whom the economy prospered (in part because, among other things, he was handed a fundamentally stable economy AND he was willing to sell access and a night in the Lincoln Bedroom to his friends on Wall Street) squandered the defense advantage built up by his predecessor.

Liberalism is the personality disorder of being stuck in infancy and expecting mommy to fix everything. However, children lack discernment, and thus evil is allowed to prosper.

[Kythas]

I travel a lot for work, all over the US and Canada.

In the US, one thing I've noticed over the last 12-18 months talking to my customers is the absolute certainty that the United States is headed for either another revolution or a second civil war. No matter the political leanings of my customers (who, strangely, have been overwhelmingly conservative or libertarian, even in Canada) they all believe this. Almost all of my US customers state if either a revolution happens, or Texas secedes, they will all pack up and move to Texas, as this is seen as the best place to be in either event. I would say 95% of my customers have flat out told me if Texas secedes, they will drop everything and move here the next day.

In fact, on my flight home yesterday there was a couple from Pennsylvania who were coming to Dallas because they bought some land here to retire on. When I asked them why they bought land in Texas the husband said "The tax situation, no snow, and when the revolution comes Texas is where I want to be."

I believe this speaks volumes as to the confidence the average American has in our current Federal government.

As a side note, my Canadian customers - almost to a person - have told me that we Americans should fight socialized medicine with everything we have. Very few of them love their health care system.

[gdanaher]

Kythas, what industry do you work in?

[Heartland Patriot]

So yes, I am more annoyed in the past 2 days than at any other time in my politically conscious career, and I am very, VERY afraid for the nation because fools are pushing us into ever more foolishness until we run headlong over the cliff of dissolution. All because people are just too proud to admit that they were wrong. And that is how great evil becomes an innate part of society.

Very sorry for you. This is not exactly what all people believe about governing. You have demonized too far.
Come back.

Being too willing to compromise too much too often for too long with people who are looking for something for nothing is what got us to this point. I am VERY willing to talk about good governance and put the principles of good governance into action. This is why I'm no longer willing to compromise. If you're in support of the healthcare bill, then yes, I've demonized you. I'm not going to lie about it and say that I feel any different than I do. We now live in intersting times—in the sense of the old Chinese curse—and progressivism (which is what we call "liberalism" today) got us here. FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society, and now Obama's Hopey Changey are all examples of this. The last democrat president who had any financial sense or an understanding of the evils of socialism/communism was Jack Kennedy (who was a Life Member of the NRA, by the way). Others in this and the previous century have simply squandered the legacies built by their republican predecessors. Even Clinton, under whom the economy prospered (in part because, among other things, he was handed a fundamentally stable economy AND he was willing to sell access and a night in the Lincoln Bedroom to his friends on Wall Street) squandered the defense advantage built up by his predecessor.

Liberalism is the personality disorder of being stuck in infancy and expecting mommy to fix everything. However, children lack discernment, and thus evil is allowed to prosper.

That was pretty spot on as I understand it, as well. Seems like the only rogue you left out of the gallery was Woodrow Wilson. We wouldn't be in this mess without him and the Congress during his tenure saddling us with permanent income tax and the Federal Reserve. That is what allowed the US government to grow into the monster it is today. Couple that with Wilson's "League of Nations" junk (which failed at the time but later came back as the money pit know to us as the UN), and follow on with the charlatans you listed...and here we are.

[Kythas]

Kythas, what industry do you work in?

I'm a computer software consultant. I travel to customer sites to determine their needs, implement our software, customize it according to customer needs, and train them how to use it.

One would think that people in the IT industry would mostly lean left, and some certainly do, at least the ones who prefer Apple over Microsoft. However, the vast, vast majority of my customers have all been center of right. I can think of only a handful in the last five years who have not been.

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

[gringo pistolero]

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

Many self-identified "conservative" politicians aren't. They're either opportunists or fifth columnists.

[Heartland Patriot]

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

Many self-identified "conservative" politicians aren't. They're either opportunists or fifth columnists.

I'm pretty sure he's not talking about politicians, just people in general.

[sjfcontrol]

Kythas, what industry do you work in?

I'm a computer software consultant. I travel to customer sites to determine their needs, implement our software, customize it according to customer needs, and train them how to use it.

One would think that people in the IT industry would mostly lean left, and some certainly do, at least the ones who prefer Apple over Microsoft. However, the vast, vast majority of my customers have all been center of right. I can think of only a handful in the last five years who have not been.

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

I take exception to this statement. In over 30 years in the tech industry, most people I've known are definitely on the right. And as for us Apple users, I propose it depends on what they use them for. Many Macs are used in the arts, making music, movies, animation, etc. Those may lean left, but engineering, programming, etc. lean right.

As I see it, engineers and programmers are logical thinkers, and therefore tend toward conservatism. On the other hand, those in the arts are the "touchy-feely" type, and are guided by their feelings and emotions, tending liberal.

[Heartland Patriot]

Kythas, what industry do you work in?

I'm a computer software consultant. I travel to customer sites to determine their needs, implement our software, customize it according to customer needs, and train them how to use it.

One would think that people in the IT industry would mostly lean left, and some certainly do, at least the ones who prefer Apple over Microsoft. However, the vast, vast majority of my customers have all been center of right. I can think of only a handful in the last five years who have not been.

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

That's easy: they control the mass media and the news, and use it as a mouthpiece for their views and for the Democrat Party. This goes back MUCH further than you think. My prime example to everyone is good old Walter Cronkite, once the most trusted man in America...except that he was a dyed-in-the-wool leftist. And he is merely one example. And once they had control of the narrative, then they could say whatever they wanted to say, as loud as they wanted to say it, and it became "the truth". And anyone who dared speak against it? For a more recent example: see, Sarah Palin. You don't have to like her to see how she was handled by the media and the so-called "free press". Add in some Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" as a game-plan and BAM! A nation on the brink...

BTW, the polls for the percentages have held pretty consistent across many years, regarding Americans' overall political ideology (not party affiliation). 40% conservative, 20% liberal, and the rest are "moderates"...it only varies by a few percentage points...and this has been tested by multiple pollsters, most of whom are more apt to err on the side of the liberals, not conservatives.

[gringo pistolero]

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

Many self-identified "conservative" politicians aren't. They're either opportunists or fifth columnists.

I'm pretty sure he's not talking about politicians, just people in general.

Look at the presidential elections. How many of the self-identified conservative voters will vote for someone who supported gun bans and championed socialized medicine in November because they think he's not as bad as Obama. Meanwhile they'll attack and insult fellow conservatives who propose to vote for a conservative instead.

THAT'S how socialists have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

[Heartland Patriot]

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

Many self-identified "conservative" politicians aren't. They're either opportunists or fifth columnists.

I'm pretty sure he's not talking about politicians, just people in general.

Look at the presidential elections. How many of the self-identified conservative voters will vote for someone who supported gun bans and championed socialized medicine in November because they think he's not as bad as Obama. Meanwhile they'll attack and insult fellow conservatives who propose to vote for a conservative instead.

THAT'S how socialists have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

Translation: vote for Ron Paul or you're a socialist? Is that what you are getting at? I'll tell you what, IF you can get him to be the NOMINEE and somehow ensure he gets enough backing to WIN, fine...but I ain't voting for the guy just to allow the man currently occupying the WH office to stay in there...Mitt Romney was the Governor of MASSACHUSETTS, not Texas, or Arizona or even Michigan...MASSACHUSETTS...that is an EXTREMELY LIBERAL state...its a wonder they don't just have a permanent commissar in charge of them and that they hold elections at all...and its a bigger wonder that a REPUBLICAN got elected in the first place there...do you really think he would just be able to unilaterally declare all gun control laws in Mass. null and void, by himself? The gun control bill up there, which their legislature put together, at least had SOME protections for gun owners codified in it, though I believe that Mitt Romney probably doesn't care much about AKs or ARs...but if he has good, solid bills sent to him from a REPUBLICAN Congress, House and Senate, then the likelihood of any sort of shenanigans like a new AWB is about ZERO PERCENT. OR, we can split the vote and make sure the guy occupying the WH stays in office for another four years...four years this country can't take, and survive as anything we know.

[pops1982]

Kythas, what industry do you work in?

It brings to mind a statistic I once saw that said less than 20% of Americans self identify as liberal, and over 40% self identify as conservative, with the rest identifying as libertarian, independent, or other. I've always wondered since then how liberals have come to dominate political discourse in this country when they are such a distinct minority.

They dominate because while they have been organizing, rallying, protesting, crying, shouting, lying and demonstrating we on the right have been civil and quiet while working to take care of ourselves and ours. Look where it’s gotten us, the majority. It's time to fight fire with fire meaning we must start organizing, rallying, protesting, crying, shouting, and demonstrating. We need people to stand up who will be the conservative opposition to the likes of Jessie Jackson, Quenelle X, Louis Farrakhan, etc. and will, with their supporters, stand nose to nose with these liberals each time they try to spread their garbage.to stop this country of ours from going to hell in a hand basket.