Egyptian Terrorists Attack US on 9/11

[Beiruty]

I honestly think it's going to take a Hiroshima-level event to bring the Muslim world to it's senses. No, I'm not talking about nuking Mecca or other Muslim holy place (but I'm not ruling it out either); Just an event so shocking, so devastating to Muslims as a people, that it causes them to open their eyes and start playing nice.

Muslims countries have nukes too. Escalation is not the solution. Otherwise, it is end of time.

[RottenApple]

Muslims countries have nukes too. Escalation is not the solution. Otherwise, it is end of time.

Did you read everything I wrote or did you stop at "Hiroshima"?

No, I'm not talking about nuking Mecca or other Muslim holy place

[Beiruty]

RottenApple,

We need not inflame the flames we need to find solutions. Dealing with extremists starts at schools with toddlers not Hiroshima-level threat. It takes time to raise generations who are clear from the ideology of destruction and Hijacking the True message of Islam.

[RoyGBiv]

1) Solution: Protesting the film or restraining the lies and slander and libel of the most beloved person for all Muslims world wide, the free speech right does not apply. If the yelling "fire" in crowded Theater is a crime, then the lies and slander is also too, no?

No... Absolutely wrong. Unequivocally wrong.
Yelling fire gets people to stampede, causing physical injury.
Slander causes hurt feelings which people of sound mind are required by common sense to deal with more constructively.

If Muslims (generally) believe that speaking words against their prophet is sufficient reason to justify murder, then Islam will never rise to equal status among other world religions. Islam will eventually be put down when it crosses the path of people who are both tolerant and sufficiently armed.

Note: The said witness has expressed his feeling very well.

Yes... But will enough similar Muslims stand up? Will enough similar-minded Muslims place themselves in between the fanatics and their American targets to make the violence stop? How many Libyans were killed DEFENDING the embassy? NONE. This man (the writer of that first-hand article) had his AK-47, his radio and access to other like-minded (supposedly) Libyan brothers who accepted the responsibility for keeping peace in that area. And what ACTION did he take to defend my Consulate? To defend my Ambassador? Exactly none of any consequence. He is the same as a police officer that turns his back on a murder in progress. Unworthy.

I will see hope for Islam when Muslims stand up to defend, with their lives, people with whom they disagree. For now, the Muslim wolves (Islamic extremists) are keeping the sheep well under control while they hide behind Islam and commit murder.

[Beiruty]

Muslims were and sill fighting Wahabbies since British Empire aided, armed and supported the Wahhabies to come to power some 200 yrs ago. Said extremists where like torjan horse in the Islamic World.
We are reaping what the British has sowed some 200 yrs ago.

[mamabearCali]

RottenApple,

We need not inflame the flames we need to find solutions. Dealing with extremists starts at schools with toddlers not Hiroshima-level threat. It takes time to raise generations who are clear from the ideology of destruction and Hijacking the True message of Islam.

Unfortunatly we don't have generations, we have to deal with the here and now. we can't build a wall around the Muslim communities and hope that they learn to be nice. In case you missed this lesson in grammar school, there is but one way to deal wih the bully that keeps stealing your lunch, with strength. Right now there may be only a few extremists doing this, but the majority of the rest stays silent. They by their silent affirmation are part of the problem as well.

Additionally I don't buy it, not by a long shot, that this was about a you tube movie that at the start of the protests had 4k views. Baloney, it was sept 11 and they hit us again. Why, because we are not Islamic and we live with a great amount of liberty. Because they don't like their state of affairs and the local leaders (often religious in nature) have decide America is to blame. Much like the Germans blaming the Jews after ww1 for their woes, the islamic communites in the middle east have bought it hook line and sinker. Sure there are individuals that don't like it, and don't agree, but on the whole there is no push back to these extremists from the moderates.

However let's say that it is about the movie....to suggest that a movie made in America 13 centuries after Muhommed died has some measurable injury to the leader is insanity. To suggest that a movie seen by only 4k people does some damage to a world religion is preposterous. Ther reactions of these dingbats hss done far greater damage to the image of Islam in this world than any movie could ever do. Now the movie has a megaphone, and because of the insane response of the protestors people, less sofisticated than you or I, might be more prone to think hmmmmm....maybe that movie has something to it.

I m sorry to say this, but of the communities are still crying over what happened 200 years ago, then perhaps there's something intrinsically wrong with the community philosophy. To those communities that are blaming the British I say get up, get yourself together, winthe argument, and if you must, win the war. It was not much over 200 years ago that we too were oppressed by the Brits, look where we are now.

[RoyGBiv]

Muslims were and sill fighting Wahabbies since British Empire aided, armed and supported the Wahhabies to come to power some 200 yrs ago. Said extremists where like torjan horse in the Islamic World.
We are reaping what the British has sowed some 200 yrs ago.

I m sorry to say this, but of the communities are still crying over what happened 200 years ago, then perhaps there's something intrinsically wrong with the community philosophy. To those communities that are blaming the British I say get up, get yourself together, winthe argument, and if you must, win the war. It was not much over 200 years ago that we too were oppressed by the Brits, look where we are now.

Thanks for saving me some typing.

I grew up in a very racist environment. Black v White v Hispanic. I spent 6 years in (MS/HS) school afraid every day for my safety, simply for the color of my skin. I was mugged, stabbed in the hallways with hat pins, beaten by gangs, and watched a friend have cigarettes put out on his face (while I was bleeding on the ground) because his skin and mine were the wrong color.

Yet I do not hate. My children do not hate... (well, to be completely honest, I do hate stupidity and willful ignorance)

What's my point? Whether your "reason" is 200 years old, or less than one lifetime, YOU are in control of what you do about it. Understanding the historical reasons for Middle East hatred is helpful, but not a valid excuse for murder. Not yesterday, not today, not ever.

[RoyGBiv]

Unconfirmed report that the US Ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson, did not allow Embassy Marine guards to carry live ammunition.

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NightWatch Special Comment: Ambassador Anne Patterson's April Glaspie moment.
...............
Glaspie misunderstood and misjudged the Iraqi leadership and the situation in Iraq. Patterson's operations at the US Embassy in Cairo bespeak a comparable misjudgment of the Egyptian Arab situation, its volatility and the depth of anti-American sentiment.

She did not permit US Marine guards to carry live ammunition, according to USMC blogs. Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.

[ffemt300]

Since when does an ambassador tell the Marines what to do?

[rwg3]

One advantage the US has over the rest of the world is the ability to wilfully put history into the past and leave it there. We try to learn from the events of the past but with our focus on growth and the future, we mostly let the old grievances fade away ( well a certain event in the 1860's may be the exception). Travelling in Europe and the Middle East one sees countless examples of multi-generational greivance polishing. It may correlate to multi-generational housing models, I'm not sure, but many learn to hate from their elders. In times past this was not as dangerous to the world as it is today. Modern technology has made the world very small and far too immeadiate to allow the pattern to continue. I have often wondered if things continue down the path they are on, whether someone will decide that the only way to end it is to totally eliminate the opposition. As nuclear arms have percolated into the middle east the odds of somebody trying this has gone up. We could be looking at a crisis the will make the cuban missle crisis seem like the good old days. At least then the parties were rational enough to use their respective national good as decision point. Im not sure that this would happen in an area where religion drives the train.

[RoyGBiv]

Since when does an ambassador tell the Marines what to do?

State Dept controls Embassies and Consulates, 110%

Might not be the best reference, but I'm sitting here waiting for my phone to ring.. so..
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There was a joint working relationship between the MSG Battalion and the Department of State. The detachment commander reported to the battalion commander via the company commander in the administrative chain of command. The joint Memorandum of Agreement governed these relationships. In the operational chain of command, he [the detachment Commander] reported to the Chief of Mission [Ambassador or Consulate general] via the Regional Security Officer or Post Security Officer. Chief of Mission referred to the senior United States Diplomatic officer. This was normally an Ambassador or Consulate General.

[philip964]

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Obama is not responsible for what unauthorized staffers do on government websites, shame on Romney.

[philip964]

Oh. My. God.

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If, as we've been told since this morning, that statement doesn't reflect the views of the current administration, why is it still up?

Not to , but it's been 24 hours since we were attacked. Why is this still on our embassy's site?!?

Its down now, is there any place that saved it?

[Dave2]

Oh. My. God.

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If, as we've been told since this morning, that statement doesn't reflect the views of the current administration, why is it still up?

Not to , but it's been 24 hours since we were attacked. Why is this still on our embassy's site?!?

Its down now, is there any place that saved it?

Someone quoted the text in IIRC the 3rd post of the the 3rd page, and I took a screen shot either right before or right after it crossed the 24hr mark.

[Dave2]

https://apps.facebook.com/wpsocialreade ... denied%3D1

Obama is not responsible for what unauthorized staffers do on government websites, shame on Romney.

First of all, yes, he is. They're his staff; he's ultimately responsible for what they do. I'd cheerfully forgive Obama, though, if the apology had been taken down in a reasonable time frame, but it was up for well over a day.

So I'm with Romney on this one.