Alliance air show - again.

[The Annoyed Man]

I have a perfect vantage point from the park < 100 yards from my house. . . and, of course, I get plenty of chances to see the planes as they buzz my house during practice for a week leading up to the show.

Can I come over?

[tbrown]

Just because their is a fence at an airport doesn't mean the area on the other side is automatically a "secure area". You would need to talk to Alliance an find out exactly what portions of the airport have been designated as AOAs or SIDAs. Federal laws apply in these areas and weapons are not allowed.

If they're allowing the general public unescorted access, that implies the airshow grounds are not AOA or SIDA, unless the airport is intentionally violating FAR Part 107 by allowing unescorted access to untrained personnel who haven't been subject to background checks.

Texas says the only "secured area" is in the terminal building. They should be posting signs that cite federal law.

Maybe they don't quote federal law because they know federal law doesn't prohibit firearms at the airshow.

[C-dub]

The area past the fence onto the ramp and flight line are under the authority of the Federal Aviation Administration. Akin to the USPS, not being bound by TX law. I wouldn't carry past the fence. Just sayin'.

Exactly!

All of Love Field and DFW are owned by Dallas or a group of cities. Most of our large airports are city owned. How many of you folks saying that 30.06 doesn't matter because it is property owned by the city want to try and see how far into the secure area you can get with your gun? This airshow is too much of a gray area for me. I would not risk it. I don't have the money to fight it and don't want to risk losing big time if I'm wrong.

They don't need to post 30.06 signs, but they are as a reminder. Maybe they are unenforceable. IDK

Are there any other statutorily off limits places that are okay when there is a certain type of event going on?

Just because their is a fence at an airport doesn't mean the area on the other side is automatically a "secure area". You would need to talk to Alliance an find out exactly what portions of the airport have been designated as AOAs or SIDAs. Federal laws apply in these areas and weapons are not allowed. The 30.06 signs are not valid as the state of Texas says the only "secured area" is in the terminal building. They should be posting signs that cite federal law.

Well then, it certainly sounds like they are as wrong as I am. Okay. Maybe more, but ...
I have other plans, so I won't be going to the show, but thanks for the lesson. I wish I could say that if I were going I would challenge them, but I don't think I would.

[Jaguar]

Just because their is a fence at an airport doesn't mean the area on the other side is automatically a "secure area". You would need to talk to Alliance an find out exactly what portions of the airport have been designated as AOAs or SIDAs. Federal laws apply in these areas and weapons are not allowed.

If they're allowing the general public unescorted access, that implies the airshow grounds are not AOA or SIDA, unless the airport is intentionally violating FAR Part 107 by allowing unescorted access to untrained personnel who haven't been subject to background checks.

Texas says the only "secured area" is in the terminal building. They should be posting signs that cite federal law.

Maybe they don't quote federal law because they know federal law doesn't prohibit firearms at the airshow.

What is "FAR Part 107"? I work in a Part 145 Repair Station and have a link to electronic code of federal regulation, CFR 14 Part 107 is not used, it is marked as "reserved".

I don't know what FAR regulates public access, I don't have to deal with that area and I'm not the type that memorizes regulations for fun, I do know some of those types though.

[Dragonfighter]

Have never been wanded or looked at with any undue scrutiny. The signs at the gates say something to the effect that bags and parcels are subject to search. Never had an issue.

[fickman]

I have a perfect vantage point from the park < 100 yards from my house. . . and, of course, I get plenty of chances to see the planes as they buzz my house during practice for a week leading up to the show.

Can I come over?

We're planning a HOA event at the park that day. . . food, bounce houses, face painting, FWFD with a fire truck. . . should be a good time. Just so you know, we'll have no way to authenticate who is a resident of our neighborhood and who isn't.

It is a city park, however, so I guess those mugs in the emoticon need to be root beer.

[MasterOfNone]

If anyone is going to the Alliance Air Show this weekend, be sure to visit with the Texas State Guard members donating their time at the show.

[Rrash]

For what its worth - this is kind of an FYI, more just because I am dejected at the way the Rangers season has ended up - I mentioned the non-compliant sign to two personal friends of mine who are both LEO. I asked their opinion. Both told me do not carry, even if the sign is unenforceable. They said the best way to fight the signs is through legislature and writing the city of Fort Worth. In their opinion, every person that gets caught simply makes CHL's look bad to the general public.

[C-dub]

For what its worth - this is kind of an FYI, more just because I am dejected at the way the Rangers season has ended up - I mentioned the non-compliant sign to two personal friends of mine who are both LEO. I asked their opinion. Both told me do not carry, even if the sign is unenforceable. They said the best way to fight the signs is through legislature and writing the city of Fort Worth. In their opinion, every person that gets caught simply makes CHL's look bad to the general public.

That's an interesting and not too unreasonable opinion. However, I wonder if they would still arrest someone for carrying past such a sign knowing that it was posted somewhere that it shouldn't be? Based on their opinion that it makes CHLs look bad to the public I'm guessing that they would. Otherwise, how would it make a CHL look bad if no one knew about it?

[bizarrenormality]

In their opinion, every person that gets caught simply makes CHL's look bad to the general public.

Maybe a little bit but not even 1% as bad as some LEO would makes his or her profession look by breaking the law and arresting a US citizen for exercising a basic human right.

They sound like the kind of person who thinks Rosa Parks should have given up the bus seat instead of making Negros look bad to the general public.

[TacShot]

I attended the air show today. At one point approximately 300 yards from the main gate there was a sign listing the NO items, i.e.coolers, food, drinks,tents, etc. and firearms. The main gate had Texas Guard military personnel checking backpacks, lawn chair bags, or any type of package. There wasn't a 30.06 sign to be seen. I was wearing tactical pants, and a black anorak, could be carrying, but I was totally ignored. No one appeared to be looking for armed individuals. So much for the 30.06 posting on the air show web site; which, by the way, is still there as I write this post.

[Keith B]

What is "FAR Part 107"? I work in a Part 145 Repair Station and have a link to electronic code of federal regulation, CFR 14 Part 107 is not used, it is marked as "reserved".

I don't know what FAR regulates public access, I don't have to deal with that area and I'm not the type that memorizes regulations for fun, I do know some of those types though.[/quote]

http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/F ... t_107.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jaguar]

What is "FAR Part 107"? I work in a Part 145 Repair Station and have a link to electronic code of federal regulation, CFR 14 Part 107 is not used, it is marked as "reserved".

I don't know what FAR regulates public access, I don't have to deal with that area and I'm not the type that memorizes regulations for fun, I do know some of those types though.

http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/F ... t_107.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay then, learn something new every day.

My source
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/te ... rv2_02.tpl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
shows 106-109 as "Reserved".

Thank you.

[Zoti]

Bumping this up again. I plan to go sunday and would love to hear from someone who went Saturday and got in with CHL. The website has the 30.06 wording as usual.

[Rex B]

$30 for parking