A "first" when stopped by DPS last night

[talltex]

Yikes.....careful there big guy.....you may not realize it, but you are starting to prove some of the points you obviously don't agree with.

I was thinking the same thing.

Be nice, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Nothing wrong with that

Survive working the hood for a few years and then say something about the above comments.

Until then, I couldn't care less about how you take that.

Hope you never have to follow through on your "3 ways plan", but if you do, better hope the plaintiffs lawyer isn't diligent enough to unearth your statement on here, because to most folks it would sure sound like a predisposition to the act. As for "surviving a few years of working the hood", has anyone in your department failed to do so while you've been employed there?

[A-R]

Bad folks in every bunch. LEO's are no exception, especially if they have the attitude of killing everyone they stop.

To be fair, he said he has "a plan to", not "I plan to". Nothing wrong with having a plan in case something were to hit the fan, it is the same preparedness I have when approached by "panhandlers" or other less desirable folks.

[carlson1]

I disagree. There is something WRONG with planning on killing someone no matter who you are.

Your plan should be to stop the threat.

Just because you are a LEO does not give you a license to kill, speed, assault, etc. . . anyone. If that is the attitude you have you will not be an LEO long.

I am done with this thread.


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[03Lightningrocks]

I disagree. There is something WRONG with planning on killing someone.

Your plan should be to stop the threat.

I have to agree. I will have to assume the comment was made as a show of bravado, otherwise, I question your sanity. Who would seriously have a plan to kill everyone they meet, besides Richard Ramirez , the BTK guy or maybe good ole Charlie Manson?

The poster has been a long time participant here... Surely it was a joke or something???

[AEA]

It's actually a quote from someone....but I can't remember who.

May or may not have something to do with Special Ops.

[A-R]

"have a plan to kill everyone you meet" is a pithy quote, I seriously doubt he meant it as a statement of intent to kill

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[03Lightningrocks]

I feel I have been lucky. Based on some of the threads I have read on this forum. It would make me extremely uncomfortable having my weapon confiscated on the side of the road and ran for serial number checks. That sounds out of line. But, like the op, I am not thinking I would choose that moment to have as sword fight with words. I was told years ago that it was not a good idea to argue with a cop on the side of the road. If they have behaved improperly, it is far better to report them later.

[03Lightningrocks]

"have a plan to kill everyone you meet" is a pithy quote, I seriously doubt he meant it as a statement of intent to kill

http://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Mattis#section_1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would like to believe that over taking the post literally. Thanks for the info.

[talltex]

"have a plan to kill everyone you meet" is a pithy quote, I seriously doubt he meant it as a statement of intent to kill

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The original statement was :
"Anybody that I contact who thinks I don't have 3 different ways to kill them in my head is kidding themselves"

The later followup was :
"survive working the hood for a few years then say something about the above comments. Until then, I couldn't care less about how you take that".

I'm not suggesting he is actually planning to kill someone, but those statements are indicative of a poor mindset and attitude. Justifying a bad attitude by using the "you can't understand it, but I put my life on the line everyday" is much overused as a means to stop or deflect any criticism of an officers conduct. The fact is that the US Dept. of Labor statistics from 2011 show that "police patrol officer" isn't in the top 10 most dangerous professions. You are more likely to be killed on the job if you are a farmer/rancher, construction worker, roofer, pilot, or a number of other jobs than if you are a police oficer. Don't get me wrong...I have many friends (and some family) that are LEO's, and I have respect for the job they do (I've done it myself), but if I heard one of them make statements like that in my presence , I would call them out on it also.

[tomtexan]

I have to agree. I will have to assume the comment was made as a show of bravado, otherwise, I question your sanity. Who would seriously have a plan to kill everyone they meet, besides Richard Ramirez , the BTK guy or maybe good ole Charlie Manson?

The poster has been a long time participant here... Surely it was a joke or something???

The words young and cockiness come to mind.

[VMI77]

Bad folks in every bunch. LEO's are no exception, especially if they have the attitude of killing everyone they stop. No traffic stop is routine and they should be ready for anything that might take place, but exiting the patrol car with the attitude of I am going to kill you is extreme.

All most makes you not want to teach children that the police are their friends. I am an ex State LEO in my other life and my youngest son is a LEO in an East Texas town. I ride out with him ever 45 days. I have never seen the attitude that has been shown here in this thread from any of those fine young men in that department.

I am PRO Police, but it makes me have second thoughts.

I think you're misinterpreting his statement. I thought the phrase came originally from Col. Jeff Cooper, but after a little research all I can find for attribution, besides the Marine officer named by others here (and this phrase precedes the war in Iraq), is that it's one of the Marine "Rules for Gun Fighting."

All it intends is that with any encounter you assess the tactical situation and decide beforehand what you will do if the encounter goes south. This is good advice for anyone, armed or not....especially perhaps if unarmed...but I see it as essential to survival for any LEO stopping strangers in vehicles. If you practice it becomes habitual and will greatly increases your odds of survival when suddenly confronted with the unexpected. It has absolutely nothing to do with any desire or intent to kill anyone.

[Purplehood]

Bad folks in every bunch. LEO's are no exception, especially if they have the attitude of killing everyone they stop. No traffic stop is routine and they should be ready for anything that might take place, but exiting the patrol car with the attitude of I am going to kill you is extreme.

All most makes you not want to teach children that the police are their friends. I am an ex State LEO in my other life and my youngest son is a LEO in an East Texas town. I ride out with him ever 45 days. I have never seen the attitude that has been shown here in this thread from any of those fine young men in that department.

I am PRO Police, but it makes me have second thoughts.

I think you're misinterpreting his statement. I thought the phrase came originally from Col. Jeff Cooper, but after a little research all I can find for attribution, besides the Marine officer named by others here (and this phrase precedes the war in Iraq), is that it's one of the Marine "Rules for Gun Fighting."

All it intends is that with any encounter you assess the tactical situation and decide beforehand what you will do if the encounter goes south. This is good advice for anyone, armed or not....especially perhaps if unarmed...but I see it as essential to survival for any LEO stopping strangers in vehicles. If you practice it becomes habitual and will greatly increases your odds of survival when suddenly confronted with the unexpected. It has absolutely nothing to do with any desire or intent to kill anyone.

I suspect that this quote has been rehashed since King Leonidas and the Spartans practiced it on the Persians...

[C-dub]

He does not plan on killing anyone. He formulates a backup plan in case plan-A goes out the window. How many end of the world threads do we have around here? How many of us have walked into a place and checked out everyone in the room and assessed their threat level and who you would likely have to take out first if something bad happened?

Situational awareness people and having a plan and a backup plan is what gets you home at night. For a bunch of folks that carry guns around I'm more than just a little shocked.

[tornado]

Not to hijack the thread, but to get it back to a discussion of a previously mentioned odd stop...

he pulled me over because he thought I had a GPS attached to my windshield

Whoa, wait. Where in Texas is that illegal?

OK, now I've looked around and found the state law, and it says:

Sec. 547.613. RESTRICTIONS ON WINDOWS. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (b), a person commits an offense that is a misdemeanor:
(1) if the person operates a motor vehicle that has an object or material that is placed on or attached to the windshield or side or rear window and that obstructs or reduces the operator's clear view

I thought general consensus was that windshield mounts that didn't block your view were legal in Texas. I've used them low, keeping the GPS (or more recently, the phone) near the dashboard.

So I suppose the LEO thought VMI77 had a GPS attached to the windshield that was obstructing or reducing the driver's clear view.

I've moved away from windshield mounts because they keep falling off in the summer heat. My current mount is a binder clip and two rubber bands. (I skipped step 2.) And I got my wife one that mounts low on the dashboard (because her prindle stick is too close to the vent).

ETA: Why isn't this in "LEO Contacts & Bloopers"?

[C-dub]

Not to hijack the thread, but to get it back to a discussion of a previously mentioned odd stop...

Now, that's funny!