Bad Experience

[Oldgringo]

Believe me if I was prepared to deal with him calling the police

You sure about that? Based on what you posted had you refused to leave and/or put your gun I your vehicle you'd be I violation of PC 30.06 Criminal Trespass by CHL ... the business is NOT required to post a sign; they can give you "effective notice" orally and it's just as legally valid as a sign.

Next time, don't argue, don't discuss, just get up and leave. If you want to comply by storing your gun in your car and the return that's up to you.

And also, might want to improve your concealment. If a restaurant manager can spot your gun, it may be more obvious of a "bulge" than you think.

Right on, A-R!

[Moby]

PLEASE tell us the establishment so others can contact the corporate office and ensure a wider policy is distributed to all of their establishments.

[AJHutton]

The cards are a great idea, thank you! I had some print-at-home business card stock on hand and just made my own.

[Jumping Frog]

Well, I see you are a new poster, so I wanted to say "WELCOME!"

I am not going to jump on your case like all the other people; I've figured you've gotten your fill of chastisement on your first visit.

My handgun is usually sufficiently concealed that it is not an issue for the average person. On occasion, I may have gotten my shirt caught against something or some other unusual case and a bulge under the fabric is more obvious than normal. Stuff happens. I don't sweat it.

BTW, there is no forum restriction on you naming the place of business where you received this treatment. Please do.

[Glock_Tacular]

Thanks yall for the feedback and I will take everything into consideration. Yes the establishment is Hooters in Addison, Texas. I carry a Glock 17 Gen 4 OWB. I'm 260 6'3'' so my clothes are usually big and always cover my weapon, I'm just confused because I am very consious of my concealment but the bluge must have been too much. IF so that was poor on my part as a CHL holder and will prevent this from ever happeing again.

But back to the verbal warning. Where in the Texas gun laws does it say Verbal warning is as good as a posted 30.06 sign? I dont understand that. IF thats the case every eastablishment can verbally warn everyone and you couldnt carry anywhere?

I never looked into concealing IWB because it seems too uncomfortable. Any suggestions on where and what to try for IWB concealment?

[tiviti]

Where in the Texas gun laws does it say Verbal warning is as good as a posted 30.06 sign?

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY
CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the
license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent;
and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed
handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was
forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner
of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner
provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

[Glock_Tacular]

Thanks!

[A-R]

And just clarify the truncated text of 30.06 above, it goes on to say that WRITTEN notice must be the exact wording we've come to know and love/hate (depending on perspective) and if on a sign ALSO must comply with size, style, location requirements

[A-R]

BTW, Glock-Tacular didn't notice until now that you're new member here. Did not intend to "jump" on you about this initially, just wanted to be sure you understood the law as we do (I'm no lawyer of course)

Anyway, welcome to the forum and glad we could help you clarify all this.

Nice job on the card thing ... I've done a bit of that myself, usually in form of professional business letter to company CEOs

[Jumping Frog]

Any suggestions on where and what to try for IWB concealment?

I am sitting in PF Changs on Rte 249 NW Houston right now with a full size Govt model 1911 on my hip, safely covered with a Comp-Tac Minotaur. I am a big fan. comp-Tac.com

I used to use a Crossbreed Supertuck, but far prefer the Comp-Tac.

[A-R]

Any suggestions on where and what to try for IWB concealment?

I am sitting in PF Changs on Rte 249 NW Houston right now with a full size Govt model 1911 on my hip, safely covered with a Comp-Tac Minotaur. I am a big fan. comp-Tac.com

I used to use a Crossbreed Supertuck, but far prefer the Comp-Tac.

My thoughts exactly

[Glock_Tacular]

No the jump is quite ok fellas. I'm only 24 yrs old. I want to learn and know everything I can to be a prime example of a CHL holder I can be for the great state of Texas.

I've only had my CHL since March of 2012 but have dealt with handguns my whole life and moved from Ohio to Dallas, Texas in 2010. All the input will be taken as constructive criticism.

But back to the Hooters. Since he gave me a Verbal warning I can never carry there again? They have the blue "unlicensed" sign posted behind their bar and absolutley no sign posted on the entrance. Just trying to completly understand. Sorry for being a rookie.

[Jumping Frog]

Since he gave me a Verbal warning I can never carry there again?

That generally depends on specific circumstances. When a manager says, "Leave and never carry a gun in here again, that is our policy", then I would consider that binding on all future visits.

In this case the district manager countermanded him, so I would feel free to carry in there the next time.

[TexasGal]

No the jump is quite ok fellas. I'm only 24 yrs old. I want to learn and know everything I can to be a prime example of a CHL holder I can be for the great state of Texas.

I've only had my CHL since March of 2012 but have dealt with handguns my whole life and moved from Ohio to Dallas, Texas in 2010. All the input will be taken as constructive criticism.

But back to the Hooters. Since he gave me a Verbal warning I can never carry there again? They have the blue "unlicensed" sign posted behind their bar and absolutley no sign posted on the entrance. Just trying to completly understand. Sorry for being a rookie.

You were given effective notice by a person in authority at that location. A higher authority for the owner has now given you oral permission that its ok, but other than your word, what is there to show that? Lets say you eat there again while armed and someone who is not gun friendly notices the bulge of your gun and makes a cell phone call or complains. You could find an officer arriving to check on it. Can you imagine what will happen if the manager tells the officer he has told you before not to carry your gun there? Will you have any luck getting the same person you called on the phone to confirm it's ok before the officer arrests you? What if the manager did not get the memo? What if he has a very strong personal objection and simply does not tell the officer his boss is ok with it? The fact you had a higher authority tell you it's ok is something you won't be able to prove at that moment. You would likely take the ride and have some heavy expenses even if later the upper management is willing to get involved and confirm you had permission.

If you want to cover your bases and still eat there armed, get written permission to carry. I personally would not go in there armed again without that. This is not legal advice. It's just what I would do in your position.

I know this is a very unlikely scenario and many others will just tell you concealed is concealed, but it is your risk not theirs. Just take this as a learning experience as to why making sure your gun is well concealed is important.

On a side note; When the upper management apologized to you and offered to retrain it's mgrs, that makes them a gun friendly company and worthy of your money. Many would not have offered to do that.

[Glock_Tacular]

No the jump is quite ok fellas. I'm only 24 yrs old. I want to learn and know everything I can to be a prime example of a CHL holder I can be for the great state of Texas.

I've only had my CHL since March of 2012 but have dealt with handguns my whole life and moved from Ohio to Dallas, Texas in 2010. All the input will be taken as constructive criticism.

But back to the Hooters. Since he gave me a Verbal warning I can never carry there again? They have the blue "unlicensed" sign posted behind their bar and absolutley no sign posted on the entrance. Just trying to completly understand. Sorry for being a rookie.

You were given effective notice by a person in authority at that location. A higher authority for the owner has now given you oral permission that its ok, but other than your word, what is there to show that? Lets say you eat there again while armed and someone who is not gun friendly notices the bulge of your gun and makes a cell phone call or complains. You could find an officer arriving to check on it. Can you imagine what will happen if the manager tells the officer he has told you before not to carry your gun there? Will you have any luck getting the same person you called on the phone to confirm it's ok before the officer arrests you? What if the manager did not get the memo? What if he has a very strong personal objection and simply does not tell the officer his boss is ok with it? The fact you had a higher authority tell you it's ok is something you won't be able to prove at that moment. You would likely take the ride and have some heavy expenses even if later the upper management is willing to get involved and confirm you had permission.

If you want to cover your bases and still eat there armed, get written permission to carry. I personally would not go in there armed again without that. This is not legal advice. It's just what I would do in your position.

I know this is a very unlikely scenario and many others will just tell you concealed is concealed, but it is your risk not theirs. Just take this as a learning experience as to why making sure your gun is well concealed is important.

On a side note; When the upper management apologized to you and offered to retrain it's mgrs, that makes them a gun friendly company and worthy of your money. Many would not have offered to do that.

Ha yes all this went through my mind. So I am NOT going to take that risk again. Definitely other establishments that I've had no issues with so I will continue to dine at those other places.