Open Carry poll by your county population

[Keith B]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation. Had they done that last session we wouldn't have gotten the parking lot bill passed, we wouldn't have been able to expose the legislators and public to campus carry, and we still wouldn't have gotten open carry. The TSRA, Charles and the pro-gun legislators know how and when to introduce the next thing during a session and I think we need to stand with them and their agenda to get as much of a realistic chance as we can in regaining ground for gun owners.

[johnferg69]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation. Had they done that last session we wouldn't have gotten the parking lot bill passed, we wouldn't have been able to expose the legislators and public to campus carry, and we still wouldn't have gotten open carry. The TSRA, Charles and the pro-gun legislators know how and when to introduce the next thing during a session and I think we need to stand with them and their agenda to get as much of a realistic chance as we can in regaining ground for gun owners.

So when will OC be on their agenda?

[jordanmills]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation.

That's almost exactly what the people who dislike the TSRA say about them. Have we gone so far that the sides can't discuss how to cooperate and just tell each other to stop talking when they see each other?

[Keith B]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation.

That's almost exactly what the people who dislike the TSRA say about them. Have we gone so far that the sides can't discuss how to cooperate and just tell each other to stop talking when they see each other?

The problem is the few that are pushing so hard for open carry go off on their own tangent and don't try to work with those who have years and years of experience in getting gun legislation passed in Texas. Two sessions ago they had a legislator that was willing to try and introduce a bill and a couple of their lead people tried using Gestapo tactics to force the bill forward and she dropped support like a hot potato. Last session no other legislators would even touch it because of this.

I believe TSRA would support a 'good' bill', that is, one that doesn't seriously jeopardize concealed carry or other gun rights. However, if one is drafted like the open carry that is so poorly written that it would be detrimental to the CHL program, like supporters tried to find a sponsor for last session, the I would hope that the TSRA would help kill it.

My thought is if supporters have gotten Rep. Lavender to take on introduction of one this session that he seek input from TSRA PAC on how it needs to be worded and when/where/how it needs to be introduced.

[Keith B]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation. Had they done that last session we wouldn't have gotten the parking lot bill passed, we wouldn't have been able to expose the legislators and public to campus carry, and we still wouldn't have gotten open carry. The TSRA, Charles and the pro-gun legislators know how and when to introduce the next thing during a session and I think we need to stand with them and their agenda to get as much of a realistic chance as we can in regaining ground for gun owners.

So when will OC be on their agenda?

When the majority of members say they want it and the time is right.

[johnferg69]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation. Had they done that last session we wouldn't have gotten the parking lot bill passed, we wouldn't have been able to expose the legislators and public to campus carry, and we still wouldn't have gotten open carry. The TSRA, Charles and the pro-gun legislators know how and when to introduce the next thing during a session and I think we need to stand with them and their agenda to get as much of a realistic chance as we can in regaining ground for gun owners.

So when will OC be on their agenda?

When the majority of members say they want it and the time is right.

Majority of what members? The NRA? The TSRA? Granted I work away from home but I don't recall ever getting polled by either organization as to my feelings on the matter? Did members of other states get polled before they backed open carry there? How did they know when the time was right for other states they backed open carry in?

[Charles L. Cotton]

The simple repeal of 46.035 sounds like a great idea...........but why have none of the LEGITIMATE gun advocate groups (NRA, TSRA) done anything to attempt repeal of 46.035? I would much rather have these experienced lobby groups pushing for it than amatures like we see from LonestarCDL and the OCDO crowd.

I think you need to reconsider your concept of "legitimate". The LSCDL started because the TSRA refused to take significant action for years, and as an alternative to their well publicized (if publicly denied) hostility to open carry. So, want to talk about legitimate, look to the group that was associated with actual legislation in key areas.

I'm not putting up with one more post falsely claiming TSRA or NRA doing anything to oppose open-carry. It not true and don't do it again.

Chas.

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

The only posts I've seen from you on it are negative, how it will never be passed, or how you can't do it this way or that way. I can't recall a single constructive comment you've made on it. Could you show me any?

TSRA hasn't filed a bill to lower the cap for increases in property appraisals, but that doesn't mean TSRA opposes tax relief. I'm sick of people who can't get a job done complaining because those who can do not take up their cause. Not taking up a cause or issue is a far cry from opposing it and you know it.

Search for my posts and you'll see my suggestions. I guess you missed my posts about repealing TPC §46.035(a) in one session, then file a "clean-up" the next to remove "concealed" except in TPC §30.06. If that isn't constructive enough for you, then that's too bad.

Once again, you post false allegations. This is absolutely your last warning. Do it again and you're gone.

Chas.

[Keith B]

Last time I asked, I was told by the TSRA that there is no support for open carry and they will continue working their agenda instead. That sounds like opposition to me.

This 'if you're not with me, yore against me' attitude is the problem. You and many of the open carry advocates expect the TSRA AND NRA to jump fully on board with your specific agenda and ignore other pro-gun legislation. Had they done that last session we wouldn't have gotten the parking lot bill passed, we wouldn't have been able to expose the legislators and public to campus carry, and we still wouldn't have gotten open carry. The TSRA, Charles and the pro-gun legislators know how and when to introduce the next thing during a session and I think we need to stand with them and their agenda to get as much of a realistic chance as we can in regaining ground for gun owners.

So when will OC be on their agenda?

When the majority of members say they want it and the time is right.

Majority of what members? The NRA? The TSRA? Granted I work away from home but I don't recall ever getting polled by either organization as to my feelings on the matter? Did members of other states get polled before they backed open carry there? How did they know when the time was right for other states they backed open carry in?

TSRA is Texas. Members of organizations can't just sit idly by and wait for something to come along. If you want something to happen you need to be proactive and contact them and ask how you can help get open carry legislation going.

I don't know what other states organizations did.

[Charles L. Cotton]

The simple repeal of 46.035 sounds like a great idea...........but why have none of the LEGITIMATE gun advocate groups (NRA, TSRA) done anything to attempt repeal of 46.035? I would much rather have these experienced lobby groups pushing for it than amatures like we see from LonestarCDL and the OCDO crowd.

I think you need to reconsider your concept of "legitimate". The LSCDL started because the TSRA refused to take significant action for years, and as an alternative to their well publicized (if publicly denied) hostility to open carry. So, want to talk about legitimate, look to the group that was associated with actual legislation in key areas.

I'm not putting up with one more post falsely claiming TSRA or NRA doing anything to oppose open-carry. It not true and don't do it again.

Chas.

The only posts I've seen from you on it are . . . how it will never be passed

Don't make another post until you link to a post where I said open-carry will never pass. I've said it won't pass with a modification to TPC §30.06 making it apply to both open concealed carry. That's not saying it will never pass. If fact, I've said quite the opposite.

Again, do not make another post until you link to a post from me saying open-carry will never pass. If you do, I'll delete every post until I see the link.

Chas.

[wheelgun1958]

Spending this week in PA, an open carry state, I've yet to see anyone open carrying. I M not comfortable with it myself.

[Mr 5by5]

Spending this week in PA, an open carry state, I've yet to see anyone open carrying. I M not comfortable with it myself.

I don't think any proposed open carry law would deny you the choice to conceal if you're licensed.

[wheelgun1958]

Spending this week in PA, an open carry state, I've yet to see anyone open carrying. I M not comfortable with it myself.

I don't think any proposed open carry law would deny you the choice to conceal if you're licensed.

And it was never implied.