New Coalition Forms to Stop Concealed Carry in Illinois

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New Coalition Forms to Stop Concealed Carry in Illinois

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“This coalition has looked at the experience of other states which do allow people to carry concealed, and based upon that experience we are convinced that the more guns there are in our churches, in our schools, in our play lots, on the streets, in movie theaters, and in shopping malls, the more guns there are in these and other public places the more shootings, injuries and deaths there will be and this is not what we want for Illinois,” said Organizer of the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition Lee Goodman.

On top of that they are imposing a sales tax on all new guns sold. just a great way to punish gun owners because they can't control the criminal elements.

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/01/coalitio ... -illinois/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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barstoolguru wrote:
“This coalition has looked at the experience of other states which do allow people to carry concealed, and based upon that experience we are convinced that the more guns there are in our churches, in our schools, in our play lots, on the streets, in movie theaters, and in shopping malls, the more guns there are in these and other public places the more shootings, injuries and deaths there will be and this is not what we want for Illinois,” said Organizer of the Stop Concealed Carry Coalition Lee Goodman.

On top of that they are imposing a sales tax on all new guns sold. just a great way to punish gun owners because they can't control the criminal elements.

http://www.guns.com/2012/12/01/coalitio ... -illinois/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
When they "looked at the experience of other states" they apparently didn't like finding that crime goes down when shall issue concealed carry is passed, so, in typical "progressive" (a new word for an old one that began with a "c") fashion, they simply lied about it to deceive the huge numbers of folks who are easily misled.

The encouraging thing is that national gun sale numbers indicate the number of people being fooled is continuing to drop.
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While it probably won't do any good, it might be a great time for those in IL who are tired of the oppression to form a coalition of their own to publicly promote concealed carry. I admit that they would not get support from any of the local media but if they built an ad campaign to refute the Goodman lies, it could be enough to push the lame duck session into action.

Continuing to suffer in silence does not seem to be an effective counter-tactic.
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I was under the impression that Illinois currently prohibits licensed concealed carry by all of its law abiding citizens nor does it recognize any other state's CC permits/licenses. Illinois' prohibition of legal CC does not apply to its non-law abiding residents or certain politicians.
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It's a safety issue...how are criminals supposed to work safely when just any Joe Blow might have a gun?
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This may just be whistling in the wind for them, the 7th has released its decision and given the Illinois legislature 180 days to come up with a concealed carry law.
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All those folks up in Illinois are concerned that allowing concealed carry will result in more 'gun crimes' (i know, guns don't commit crimes, criminals do, but humor me.) There must be several guys here with time on their hands and desirous of a project so here it is. Statistically, how many 'gun crimes' are committed per 100,000 in Illinois, and how many similar crimes are committed in states that permit only concealed carry and/or states that permit open carry? List the stats by state. I'm guessing this is all available for someone with the time to look. I'd surmise that the crime rate is lowest in those states with open carry, higher in states with concealed only, and highest in Illinois where no concealed carry to this point has been permitted. Here in Texas, a guy has to take pause before entering a residence during the night, or attempting to carjack someone. The victim may have greater marksmanship skills than the BG. Illinois on the other hand presents a dilemma in that the homeowner might be armed but must second guess the authorities. Someone could be attacked on the street, respond by using a handgun, and wind up spending more time in jail that the BG who attacked him.

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"... we will no longer use the power and authority of our office to criminalize and punish decent, otherwise law-abiding citizens who choose to exercise the rights granted to them by the Second Amendment of the United States’ Constitution to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and their families."

- McLean County State's Attorney Ronald C. Dozier

The official press release issued by SA Ronald Dozier goes on to state:
"As the State’s Attorney, I have to make a choice. Do I continue to enforce laws that I believe to be unconstitutional, a belief that is supported by decisions of the highest court in the land, or do I continue to prosecute citizens who run afoul of State gun laws but have no evil intent or purpose in mind? . . . I’m not willing to do that anymore—too many good people will be harmed."
this came off of ; http://www.illinoiscarry.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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You have to remmeber, there is Illinios, and then there's Cook County, which just happens to sit in Illinois. They are totally different on views. If you go to the central of southern part of the state the folks are many times big-time hunters and outdoors types. They hate the politicians in Springfield that come from Chicago and surrounding areas more than anyone.
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According to the quoted guns.com article, 10 IL counties voted overwhelmingly in favor of permitted concealed carry. I would say that, yes, those outside of the CCC (Communist Cook County) should organize & get vocal. Is there an IL-based forum similar to this one? I know that there are IL participants in general concealed carry, self-defense, 2nd Ammendment forums; but are there any dedicated to IL?? If so, a couple of us may want to pop over & say howdy.
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Keith B wrote:You have to remmeber, there is Illinios, and then there's Cook County, which just happens to sit in Illinois. They are totally different on views. If you go to the central of southern part of the state the folks are many times big-time hunters and outdoors types. They hate the politicians in Springfield that come from Chicago and surrounding areas more than anyone.
Apparently the hatred isn't strong enough to put together a group to do something about it.

According to the 2011 census, IL has a population of about 12.8M.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17000.html

Cook County has a population of about 5.2M, 58% of which are in Chicago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois

I don't believe for a minute that Chicago elections are fair 1-voter, 1 vote contests. But I also don't believe that every person in Chicago votes. Based on the Presidential numbers, (2.9M for Obama, 2M for Romney) it looks like about a 5M voter turn out. If the counties besides Cook were to "run the table", I suspect that they could outvote Chicago. I do realize that is asking a lot.

I'm taking a laizzez faire approach to all of this. When the voters do get fed up enough, they can fix it.
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gdanaher wrote:All those folks up in Illinois are concerned that allowing concealed carry will result in more 'gun crimes' (i know, guns don't commit crimes, criminals do, but humor me.) There must be several guys here with time on their hands and desirous of a project so here it is. Statistically, how many 'gun crimes' are committed per 100,000 in Illinois, and how many similar crimes are committed in states that permit only concealed carry and/or states that permit open carry? List the stats by state. I'm guessing this is all available for someone with the time to look. I'd surmise that the crime rate is lowest in those states with open carry, higher in states with concealed only, and highest in Illinois where no concealed carry to this point has been permitted. Here in Texas, a guy has to take pause before entering a residence during the night, or attempting to carjack someone. The victim may have greater marksmanship skills than the BG. Illinois on the other hand presents a dilemma in that the homeowner might be armed but must second guess the authorities. Someone could be attacked on the street, respond by using a handgun, and wind up spending more time in jail that the BG who attacked him.
Looks like the folks on that illinoiscarry.com site are ahead of you. This is from a link on their page:
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For those calling for pro-gun coalitions to form in Illinois...well, they've had them for some time. They've even won some court victories and made inroads in the legislature.

The Illinois House has a bill, HB140, that calls for setting up a license to carry. It was voted on in the House in May 2011, with 65 voting for, and 32 against. That's slightly better than a 2:1 margin in favor of legalizing carrying a pistol in Illinois.

However, it needed 71 votes in favor in order to pass because it also called for pre-emption of home-rule regulations. Illinois is one of those states that has home rule cities, apparently a lot of them, who have lots of independent authority. It takes a super-majority of the state legislature to override their home-rule power.

The bill, as I understand it, calls for shall-issue, sets a time frame for issuing the license somewhat like ours, licenses both concealed and open carry, removes license info from the state Freedom of Info act, exempts license holders from other statutes that would make carrying or having a gun illegal, makes legal storing a gun in a locked vehicle if the license holder has to enter a prohibited place, protects a license holder if he has to transit a prohibited place via public route, and, of course, pre-empts home rule regulation of the license holder, to include forbidding limits on numbers of guns and forbidding registration of guns.

I understand from other sources that there were a number of compromises in the bill to gain more supporters, but now that the court has ruled, the compromises are no longer on the table. ;-) As I understand the court's ruling, the Leg has 180 days to come up with a new law, and if they do not, then there is NO law regulating carry of firearm -- so theoretically Illinois could go from having the most restrictive regime to the most open. A happy thought. :mrgreen: I am sure the anti-gun AG will appeal and ask for an extension of the stay, but we'll see.

Also recall that the governor tried to impose an "assault weapons" ban via a seemingly peculiar amendatory veto power he has that lets him write new verbiage into law. The Legislature passed a law to allow Illinoisians (or whatever you call them) to buy ammo from online companies IN ILLINOIS. (Apparently residents could buy ammo on line from any state EXCEPT their own). The anti-gun Gov "amended" the law by throwing out all that and putting instead a ban on semi-auto rifles, hi-cap mags, and .50 guns. The Senate overrode this 46-4 and the House 78 to something. Now that doesn't mean all those voting for the override were pro-gun -- some said they wanted an AWB, but the Gov was abusing his power (at their expense) -- but it's in the right direction generally.

There will be a fight, still, but there are a lot of pro-gun forces in Illinois. It really is a state held captive by a leftist Chicago mafia and a city full of utterly stupid voters. Unfortunately that model has now been transplanted to the national level. But there is a good chance for the 2A in Illinois now. The sound you hear coming from that "Stop Concealed Carry Coalition" is the sound of panic.
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By now, you’ve probably heard about Illinois State Senator Donne Trotter’s little run-in with the TSA at O’Hare on Wednesday. Seems the Democrat and state senate appropriations committee chairman he was trying to board a plane for D.C. when a .25 caliber gun and loaded magazine turned up in his bag (would you want to spend much time in D.C. unarmed?). Anyway, while having an announced candidate for Jesse Jackson Jr.’s now vacant US House seat caught in America’s most ungunfriendly city with, yes, a gun tickles our schadenfreude bone something fierce, Trotter’s not the string-up-the-gun-nuts kind of Illinois pol everyone assumes him to be . . .
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Thanks for the info, ELB. I know the media doesn't help but why don't we hear much about the pro-gun forces in IL? You would think that they would find a way to bubble up out of the anti-gun soup once in a while and be heard, at least on the Internet.

I know that there are pro-gun forces in NJ, too, but so far they might as well be spitting into the wind.

So State Senator Trotter was trying to carry a handgun past TSA on his way to D.C. What does he have to add to become a three time looser?
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