PRICE GOUGING Concerning Arms and Munitions

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Re: PRICE GOUGING Concerning Arms and Munitions

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TexasLookout wrote:Yes my concerns are for the independant businessman ,and consumers.

I walked into Walmart last week in the afternoon. Picked up Winchester 100 rd value pack $40.77 and for sure it was old stock. Several months back I paid $37 so that's about 10% increase for old stock. I can see why the indepedants need to increase retail cost to offset lower volume sales.

As far as 3 shifts to produce munitions I haven't heard of a company that would not not hire more help vs. Paying overtime and benifits yet.

Didn't they see this coming from the last few years?

I'm not crying here as we have purchased at on-sell prices last year.

And for sure the market is being munipulated.
If you think Walmart still has old ammo stock I have to wonder what planet your living on.
The reason you run 3 shifts in stead of just adding more people to 1st or 2nd shift is because your equipment is already running at capacity for those shifts. The only way to increase production is to add a third shift so that the equipment runs more hours per day.
The only other way to increase production is to expand facilities. No one is going to do that until more is known about what congress is going to do (or what Obama might try to do). If they do nothing then the demand decreases and then expanded facilities would not be needed.
With all due respect, I don't think you are understanding all of the dynamics at play.
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Re: PRICE GOUGING Concerning Arms and Munitions

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I'm still waiting on information around this statement...
The Ammunition Manufactures are withholding, delaying shipments, by means of controlling the Inflated Cost of Current Ammunition
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pbwalker wrote:I'm still waiting on information around this statement...
The Ammunition Manufactures are withholding, delaying shipments, by means of controlling the Inflated Cost of Current Ammunition
Me too. I'm not holding my breath.
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jmra wrote:
pbwalker wrote:I'm still waiting on information around this statement...
The Ammunition Manufactures are withholding, delaying shipments, by means of controlling the Inflated Cost of Current Ammunition
Me too. I'm not holding my breath.
You know, that doesn't even make any sense what he said about delaying shipments. Ammunition is a commodity. They have to sell bulk, all the time, to make money. Just like the people who make gasoline, or diesel. Its not about what they make on each round, or each box, but what they make shipping cases and cases of ammo at a time. Its why they do business with the government, because the government buys so much at one time. I know that jmra and pbwalker get it, but I guess some folks just don't.
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Like I said, I know the QC guy for Federal, actually I think he might be ATK and work with all the ATK lines, not just Federal. He said they are running at max capacity and unless they buy more machines and more space, they cannot produce any more than they are now. And this would take a long time to see any direct influence on us. The major producers have very tight contracts with the big box stores and they cannot change their prices based on supply and demand but can when their suppliers do. I am simplifying what would otherwise have been a very long conversation with him and its a bit more complex than this. Let me talk with him and see if I can get him to do a webcast or something.
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RX8er wrote:Like I said, I know the QC guy for Federal, actually I think he might be ATK and work with all the ATK lines, not just Federal. He said they are running at max capacity and unless they buy more machines and more space, they cannot produce any more than they are now. And this would take a long time to see any direct influence on us. The major producers have very tight contracts with the big box stores and they cannot change their prices based on supply and demand but can when their suppliers do. I am simplifying what would otherwise have been a very long conversation with him and its a bit more complex than this. Let me talk with him and see if I can get him to do a webcast or something.
Forget the webcast. Tell him to ship a pallet or two of ammo to my house! :mrgreen:
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I sense hostility in responses from my claims. Being in marketing and commerce myself I still stand by my claims. And also I wait for your Facts and respect all your replies. I am simply not going with the general opinions.

My Facts are based on what I see at the stores and online. I also hear only hearsay statements with out proof. I have attached a model of marketing and accept more "critical thinking" on everyone's part.

When Adam Smith (1776) observed the English market place he formulated his famous "Invisible Hand" theory.

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TexasLookout wrote:We should all ask the (all) Manufacture's if your past munitions productions = a profit, and now say that past production formulas can not keep up with current demands, and you now say that you now have multiple shifts to maximize production levels, then why have retail cost risen to upwards of 50% or more.

In a mathematical formula above current Munition Manufactures are making 150 % profit over their past production profits.

Can you please show your work for this "mathematical formula"? I believe you might be oversimplifying their cost structure, but I will withhold actually believing this until I see how you arrived at that number.
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TexasLookout wrote:I sense hostility in responses from my claims. Being in marketing and commerce myself I still stand by my claims. And also I wait for your Facts and respect all your replies. I am simply not going with the general opinions.

My Facts are based on what I see at the stores and online. I also hear only hearsay statements with out proof. I have attached a model of marketing and accept more "critical thinking" on everyone's part.

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You haven't presented any facts whatsoever. Your statements are the epitome of hearsay.
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Another fact of price gouging is . At the gun show less than two months ago. Purchased RWS sports line for less than $16 a box of 50 . Now same company re-seller retailer selling the same box for $26.00 as a matter of fact the Retailer is located in San Antonio . So you tell me if that is not a fact I do not know what is. Considering RWS is not a USA munitions firm what is the reasoning behind a 50 % + increase in cost.
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TexasLookout wrote:Another fact of price gouging is . At the gun show less than two months ago. Purchased RWS sports line for less than $16 a box of 50 . Now same company re-seller retailer selling the same box for $26.00 as a matter of fact the Retailer is located in San Antonio . So you tell me if that is not a fact I do not know what is. Considering RWS is not a USA munitions firm what is the reasoning behind a 50 % + increase in cost.
Another perfect example of hearsay devoid of any facts whatsoever.
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TexasLookout wrote:I sense hostility in responses from my claims. Being in marketing and commerce myself I still stand by my claims. And also I wait for your Facts and respect all your replies. I am simply not going with the general opinions.

My Facts are based on what I see at the stores and online. I also hear only hearsay statements with out proof. I have attached a model of marketing and accept more "critical thinking" on everyone's part.

When Adam Smith (1776) observed the English market place he formulated his famous "Invisible Hand" theory.

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Wait, it was my "critical thinking" when I asked you to provide me your facts for your claims you have made. You started this out with stating it was like fact but yet have provided anything. I would like to see:

I want to know when I have been "terms it would be the Overcharging, Psychological Manipulation, by the use of a current situation"

How you know that "The Ammunition Manufactures are withholding, delaying shipments" I have given you second had facts by knowing and speaking with an employee of a respected OEM.

I still don't know this and want to know where you shop so I can stay away. "We all know the Current Ammunition Retail Consumer Cost have been raised by at least a Minimum of $10 per box of 50 to upwards of $15 per box." I've had great luck buying ammo at Cabela's and Academy and prices have stayed the same. If what you are saying is true, then that would mean that my 223 ammo would have been only $4.15 a box. Here's my math: 1 box = 8.99 at 20 rounds and 2.5 boxes is 50 rounds. At last weeks price they would be $22.47 a box of 50. Subtract your $10 per box increase and that would make the ammo, a couple months ago, $12.47 per 50 or $4.16 per box of 20. Ya right!!!! Never gonna happen.

Here's my proof that ammo is not going up at the major brick and motor places, or at least to the price gouging levels you are talking about. All these prices are in line with what it would have cost 3 months ago.

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What Psychological terms are you talking about? The Psychological terms used by the manufactures is a monetary driving motive and nothing else.

What is your definition of "constant" price gouging? In past national tragedies such as Hurricanes, Tornado's , Flooding, Droughts, and Wildfires in all cases there has been constant Price Gouging.

Seeing as how we are not in a civil emergency, it's not price gouging by the true meaning of the term but I'll give you this one.


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Oh, and that would make my 9mm lawman only $3.99 a box. Why would I ever reload at prices like that. :biggrinjester:
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Beiruty wrote:I only buy ammon from wally world where they never inflate their prices. So, far all shelves are empty and this is a very serious concern to me.

And this right here is the lesson! Walmart is fortunate it does not depend on ammo or guns for its main sustenance !
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Whhhaaaaa.... I want my Oompa Loompa now... And I want it at the cost I determine is fair. Come on folks.... You are either for a free market system and a country based on free market values... Or you are a socialist. You CANNOT have it both ways. My guess is, many of the same folks think collecting garbage is worthy of a 75k a year salary.
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