CHL use in self defense against a dog?

[sunny beach]

Inside a dog it's too dark to read.

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[03Lightningrocks]

1) Why do the dogs have to be Rottweilers ?

You can probably outrun a Dachshund on a bicycle.

Seen many Dachshunds on bicycles have you?

[RottenApple]

1) Why do the dogs have to be Rottweilers ?

You can probably outrun a Dachshund on a bicycle.

Seen many Dachshunds on bicycles have you?

Why yes!

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Yep. Probably could out run him.

[JKTex]

CHL = Concealed Handgun License. It's a license allowing you to carry and handgun, concealed. It's not a person. :D It also has nothing to do with whether you can use a handgun in defense of a person, animal or zombie.

Whether a gun of any kind was on your person, in your car, stored in a tree, laying in your front yard or hanging on a street sign or was legal, illegal.....using it in defense of a person or animal or zombie is another issue. I think most town's/cities have ordinances/laws pertaining to discharge if you're in their limits and if not, laws or guidance pertaining to defense. Otherwise, it could be a civil issue but if you're really in danger, and 2 Rot's pinning someone is easily considered danger especially if an owner wasn't there to control them.

[RiderDean]

I have two questions.

1) Why do the dogs have to be Rottweilers ? If they were poodles, would we make a point of the breed? I suppose Rottweiler or pit bull sounds more threatening. Unfortunately this stereo typing is causing dog discrimination. Yeah, I know, everyone is a dog expert and can spot a rotty from a mile away.

2) My second question is real simple and one that relates to many of the questions I see asked in this forum. What if it were illegal to shoot two dogs attacking your dog? Would you stand by and watch little scruffy get eaten?


I find questions of legality a humorous topic when it comes to self defense. Who gives a good Charlie's darn what the law says? If you are sure you are in danger and will lose your life or the life of your loved one or even your pet, would you let it happen because you are searching for the section of the law that says you can defend yourself or others?

Seriously folks! How about some common sense? Are you gonna watch a person get raped and just stand there while you search the code? Good lord almighty! When is someone going to finally say it in here. When under attack. You will KNOW IT! What you do about it decides whether or not you and yours survives another day. The technicalities of the law be darned!

Defend yourself and yours or pay the price! If you aren't sure what "technical legal" grounds you stand on, this likely means you are not under threat, or even worse, did something to create the situation yourself. THIS MEANS ITS TIME TO BACK OFF!

Instincts are natural for human survival. Why is it in modern society we are always being told to ignore our instincts in favor of intellect?

I said two rottweilers because well......... they WERE two rottweilers. Good god you sound like a liberal looking for a discrimination fight.

[Keith B]

OK folks, you are getting into personal attacks. Stop now and keep the conversation civil.

[jrandyw]

[quote="03Lightningrocks"]I have two questions.

1) Why do the dogs have to be Rottweilers ? If they were poodles, would we make a point of the breed? I suppose Rottweiler or pit bull sounds more threatening. Unfortunately this stereo typing is causing dog discrimination. Yeah, I know, everyone is a dog expert and can spot a rotty from a mile away.

Yeah, I can admit that until late last year, I was guilty of only worrying about those "bad" breeds. But then a very close friend had her dog attacked & killed right in front of her by the friendly next door lab. You just never know.

2) My second question is real simple and one that relates to many of the questions I see asked in this forum. What if it were illegal to shoot two dogs attacking your dog? Would you stand by and watch little scruffy get eaten?

Well, until I was educated by this thread, I'd always thought it would be technically illegal to draw my weapon in defense of my property unless it was at night. Now I see that I'd misunderstood what the laws actually say. It is especially nice to know that there's a specific legal protection for killing a dog or coyote that is attacking my pet. It may seem like a no-brainer to some, but potentially becoming a felon gives me pause. I must admit that if given the choice between becoming a convicted felon along with losing my gun rights for life and losing my sweet dog (who I have come to love way more than I every thought I could), well, its not an easy choice. That's why in my mind I'd decided that if a dog were to attack my dog, I'd do whatever I could to put myself in the middle of the situation so that I could justify drawing my weapon because I was acting in self defense, rather than in defense of my property. Now that I've read up on the laws I won't hesitate to defend my cute little pooch from someone's charging dog.

This kind of conversation is what I appreciate most about this board. It allows us all to exchange thoughts and opinions and knowledge. It helps a relative CHL rookie like me learn from others that know more than I do.

[03Lightningrocks]

It seems to me calling out a personal attack is pointless when the personal attack is left posted.

[03Lightningrocks]

I have two questions.

1) Why do the dogs have to be Rottweilers ? If they were poodles, would we make a point of the breed? I suppose Rottweiler or pit bull sounds more threatening. Unfortunately this stereo typing is causing dog discrimination. Yeah, I know, everyone is a dog expert and can spot a rotty from a mile away.

Yeah, I can admit that until late last year, I was guilty of only worrying about those "bad" breeds. But then a very close friend had her dog attacked & killed right in front of her by the friendly next door lab. You just never know.

2) My second question is real simple and one that relates to many of the questions I see asked in this forum. What if it were illegal to shoot two dogs attacking your dog? Would you stand by and watch little scruffy get eaten?

Well, until I was educated by this thread, I'd always thought it would be technically illegal to draw my weapon in defense of my property unless it was at night. Now I see that I'd misunderstood what the laws actually say. It is especially nice to know that there's a specific legal protection for killing a dog or coyote that is attacking my pet. It may seem like a no-brainer to some, but potentially becoming a felon gives me pause. I must admit that if given the choice between becoming a convicted felon along with losing my gun rights for life and losing my sweet dog (who I have come to love way more than I every thought I could), well, its not an easy choice. That's why in my mind I'd decided that if a dog were to attack my dog, I'd do whatever I could to put myself in the middle of the situation so that I could justify drawing my weapon because I was acting in self defense, rather than in defense of my property. Now that I've read up on the laws I won't hesitate to defend my cute little pooch from someone's charging dog.

This kind of conversation is what I appreciate most about this board. It allows us all to exchange thoughts and opinions and knowledge. It helps a relative CHL rookie like me learn from others that know more than I do.

for the most part. I can tell you in my case I would shoot if I had to. My first efforts would probably less than lethal but I would not allow my pet to get killed or maimed.

On the topic of breeds. There was a time when I also thought negatively about certain breeds. Then I saw some stats and the breeds thought of as friendly are responsible for more bites then the breeds generally thought of as aggressive. Truth is, any breed can be a danger if the person raising the dog mistreats it.

[RiderDean]

It seems to me calling out a personal attack is pointless when the personal attack is left posted.

So you don't see anything personal in your origianl post?

[03Lightningrocks]

It seems to me calling out a personal attack is pointless when the personal attack is left posted.

So you don't see anything personal in your origianl post?

No. Not in the slightest. They were just questions. Plus... The questions were general. Not to you individually.

[RiderDean]

It seems to me calling out a personal attack is pointless when the personal attack is left posted.

So you don't see anything personal in your origianl post?

No. Not in the slightest. They were just questions. Plus... The questions were general. Not to you individually.

Well then I well offer you an apology.
But know that I took them personally. Your comment about breed was to me an accusation that I fabricated the Breed as part of the story. When in fact it was two Rottweilers. Your dialog about needing to know in order to act seemed condescending. When actually as the other poster put best I truly wanted to know what the law said before I act and risk my CHL, legal fees, etc.

[03Lightningrocks]

LOL.... no...you may have missed my point. I was making a point of the fact that when the offending dog is a rotty or pit bull looking dog, folks have a tendency to make an issue of the breed while if the offending dog is a chihuahua or some other lap dog breed, folks (and even the media) fail to mention the breed. That was why I mentioned dog discrimination. I see it the same way as if a person speaks of being threatened and says it was a "black dude" as if a "black dude" is more menacing than just saying "some dude".

There were a few others who mentioned the infamous Rotty and many other threads focus on Pits as well as Rotty's. Many times dogs are mis identified because they have a Rotty or Pit Bull "look". My own daughter has one like that. He is part Rotty and part lab. His body and snout look more lab but his markings and colors look Rotty. He is a big sissy dog but I have heard more than one person call him a Rotty as they express a fear of whether or not he would attack.

Like I said though. My questions and comments were meant in general. That is why I didn't quote your original post. You are fairly new here so you may not know how often this topic and question have been brought up. I keep waiting for someone to ask if it would be OK to shoot an attacking chihuahua... .

Oh... and you are not the first poster to ask if it would be OK to shoot to protect your animals. My question of whether or not the law really matters is a legitimate question for everyone. If I am out walking my pet and a couple dogs attack it, at that moment I am not going to worry about the law. I am going to do ANYTHING I must do to protect my pet. If that includes blasting the attacker, so be it. Same goes for being attacked personally. I have been attacked... twice! I can assure you that you will have very little doubt as to whether or not your life is in danger and again, the law at that moment does not matter, the object is to live.

[anygunanywhere]

LOL.... no...you may have missed my point. I was making a point of the fact that when the offending dog is a rotty or pit bull looking dog, folks have a tendency to make an issue of the breed while if the offending dog is a chihuahua or some other lap dog breed, folks (and even the media) fail to mention the breed. That was why I mentioned dog discrimination. I see it the same way as if a person speaks of being threatened and says it was a "black dude" as if a "black dude" is more menacing than just saying "some dude".

There were a few others who mentioned the infamous Rotty and many other threads focus on Pits as well as Rotty's. Many times dogs are mis identified because they have a Rotty or Pit Bull "look". My own daughter has one like that. He is part Rotty and part lab. His body and snout look more lab but his markings and colors look Rotty. He is a big sissy dog but I have heard more than one person call him a Rotty as they express a fear of whether or not he would attack.

Like I said though. My questions and comments were meant in general. That is why I didn't quote your original post. You are fairly new hear so you may not know how often this topic and question have been brought up. I keep waiting for someone to ask if it would be OK to shoot an attacking chihuahua... .

One of the worst dog bites I ever experienced was from a Chihuahua. I did not shoot it 'cause I was 12 years old but I splattered his carcass flat with a Sunday edition of the Lubbock Avalance Journal.

The absolute worst dog bite I ever had was from my own dog.

Anygunaywhere

[03Lightningrocks]

LOL.... no...you may have missed my point. I was making a point of the fact that when the offending dog is a rotty or pit bull looking dog, folks have a tendency to make an issue of the breed while if the offending dog is a chihuahua or some other lap dog breed, folks (and even the media) fail to mention the breed. That was why I mentioned dog discrimination. I see it the same way as if a person speaks of being threatened and says it was a "black dude" as if a "black dude" is more menacing than just saying "some dude".

There were a few others who mentioned the infamous Rotty and many other threads focus on Pits as well as Rotty's. Many times dogs are mis identified because they have a Rotty or Pit Bull "look". My own daughter has one like that. He is part Rotty and part lab. His body and snout look more lab but his markings and colors look Rotty. He is a big sissy dog but I have heard more than one person call him a Rotty as they express a fear of whether or not he would attack.

Like I said though. My questions and comments were meant in general. That is why I didn't quote your original post. You are fairly new hear so you may not know how often this topic and question have been brought up. I keep waiting for someone to ask if it would be OK to shoot an attacking chihuahua... .

One of the worst dog bites I ever experienced was from a Chihuahua. I did not shoot it 'cause I was 12 years old but I splattered his carcass flat with a Sunday edition of the Lubbock Avalance Journal.

The absolute worst dog bite I ever had was from my own dog.

Anygunaywhere

LOL... what? You didn't blast him? J/K... My daughter had a chihuahua with a bad attitude. He bit me once when I grabbed him too fast as he was peeing on my rug. He bit my mom one time because she kept slapping my daughter on the leg. My mom thought it was cute when he would jump up and glare at her. She had no idea the dog was timing the slaps. he got her hand on the fourth slap...LOL.