What would you say to a repair guy if you saw his gun

[jayinsat]

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It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

[anygunanywhere]

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It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

Are youy a law abiding person legally able to carry?

Please take this in a non-offensive manner, but it is hard for me to tell just by your posts. You need to prove it to me before I will believe you.

Anygunanywhere

[03Lightningrocks]

I feel like this situation can have many "correct" answers. For me and my employees, the situation is a bit sticky. Our company does in home repairs and installation of HVAC equipment. We are in the home based on invitation by the home owner about 99 percent of the time. The other one percent it is a rental home with a tenant. After 30 years of walking into customers homes, I can not think of any occasion where I felt my life was in danger from the occupant of the home. I know of one situation a friend and technician was threatened by a shotgun. I was not there. He was told to do the work. He completed the work and went to his van to fill out the invoice. When he went back to the door, the homeowner would not let him back in and was standing with a shotgun beside him. He was holding it up with his hand but not pointing it at Paul. Paul said he told the guy... "No charge" ... And got the heck out of there. We had no cell phones back then. He jumped on the radio and told dispatch he was down the road from the house and if Boyd(the owner), wanted his money, he could go get it. Boyd told us all that he did the right thing leaving and no matter what, it was never worth getting into a violent confrontation over money. They called the police. The police went to the home. The home owner denied having a gun. Case closed... No witnesses.

Like I said earlier and lost in some of this is the very real complications that will arise if any of us shoot someone while in said someone's home.

Then there are situations like RP described where the threat was actually while moving from our vans to the job sight. That can happen. Especially if one is working commercial HVAC.

Since this post was concerning service oriented visits, there isn't much need to get into the threats realtors and pizza delivery types face. Which I feel are probably under more risk than service type jobs. We carry no cash and the home owners are typically who we are meeting.

[jayinsat]

I started a new thread so as not to hijack this one. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

Are youy a law abiding person legally able to carry?

Please take this in a non-offensive manner, but it is hard for me to tell just by your posts. You need to prove it to me before I will believe you.

Anygunanywhere

If I were in your home and accidently revealed, that would be a more-than reasonable demand to which I would immediately comply. That is truly my point Anygun. I accidently revealed a potentially lethal weapon in your presence. You should be concerned, in my view, since you don't know me. Now, if I didn't reveal, you'd have no reason to suspect and this question would never even come up. The key here is the repair person accidently revealed and you don't know them.

[anygunanywhere]

I started a new thread so as not to hijack this one. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

Are youy a law abiding person legally able to carry?

Please take this in a non-offensive manner, but it is hard for me to tell just by your posts. You need to prove it to me before I will believe you.

Anygunanywhere

If I were in your home and accidently revealed, that would be a more-than reasonable demand to which I would immediately comply. That is truly my point Anygun. I accidently revealed a potentially lethal weapon in your presence. You should be concerned, in my view, since you don't know me. Now, if I didn't reveal, you'd have no reason to suspect and this question would never even come up. The key here is the repair person accidently revealed and you don't know them.

The key is that you should be wary of anyone and not necessarliy based on whether they are armed.

A handyman in your home can kill you with his phillips screwdriver or bludgeon you with his hammer.

The focus should not be on the firearm. Just because someone is armed does not mean that you are at a greater risk of them harming you.

Anygunanywhere

[jayinsat]

I started a new thread so as not to hijack this one. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

Are youy a law abiding person legally able to carry?

Please take this in a non-offensive manner, but it is hard for me to tell just by your posts. You need to prove it to me before I will believe you.

Anygunanywhere

If I were in your home and accidently revealed, that would be a more-than reasonable demand to which I would immediately comply. That is truly my point Anygun. I accidently revealed a potentially lethal weapon in your presence. You should be concerned, in my view, since you don't know me. Now, if I didn't reveal, you'd have no reason to suspect and this question would never even come up. The key here is the repair person accidently revealed and you don't know them.

The key is that you should be wary of anyone and not necessarliy based on whether they are armed.

A handyman in your home can kill you with his phillips screwdriver or bludgeon you with his hammer.

The focus should not be on the firearm. Just because someone is armed does not mean that you are at a greater risk of them harming you.

Anygunanywhere

Point taken! Agreed.

[03Lightningrocks]

I started a new thread so as not to hijack this one. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=64639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems to me that most of us assume everyone carrying a gun is a law abiding citizen legally able to carry. I assert that that CAN BE a dangerous assumption. It's one thing if it's some one you've have a long term relationship with but not everyone showing up to your home will be known to you. We can't control who the power company, cable company etc sends to us. Even trusted contractors can occasionally hire and send out improperly vetted workers. I welcome CHL'ees in my home but, I feel, as a contractor, you should be extra careful to make sure you never accidently reveal or be ready to answer a whole lotta questions.

Are youy a law abiding person legally able to carry?

Please take this in a non-offensive manner, but it is hard for me to tell just by your posts. You need to prove it to me before I will believe you.

Anygunanywhere

The key is that you should be wary of anyone and not necessarliy based on whether they are armed.

A handyman in your home can kill you with his phillips screwdriver or bludgeon you with his hammer.

The focus should not be on the firearm. Just because someone is armed does not mean that you are at a greater risk of them harming you.

Anygunanywhere

Absolutely correct! I would recommend only using established companies that do criminal background checks before hiring their employees. Many of these fly by night folks that hang a shingle one season and claim to be a "company" are in reality a very high risk situation!!

[carrydave]

Totally depends on how your groomed, and your method of carry, and my gut feeling after speaking with you.

I honestly don't think i would react well. However if i had the chance to think about it, and your a likable person I might not go for my Mk14 EBR or mossy 500.... See armed men i don't know qualifies as a security risk in my home. bonded and insured or not.

Also what if say you do a job for someone sitting on some drugs or something. you'll stand a good chance of getting killed. People don't generally attack repairmen do they?

phew this is a complex question...


edit - more on the fly by night outfits...

if the any of the guys that just finished a paint touch up job here at the house exposed a weapon, I likely would have called their boss right away.


there is also society and custom. I do not believe it is customary to carry a gun while doing calls in people's homes unless you are a repo man or bounty hunter.

guess I'm going to buy 30.06 signs.....

[dawgfishboy]

guess I'm going to buy 30.06 signs.....

yeah, that ought to add some security.

[Brad Mc]

Totally depends on how your groomed, and your method of carry, and my gut feeling after speaking with you.

I honestly don't think i would react well. However if i had the chance to think about it, and your a likable person I might not go for my Mk14 EBR or mossy 500.... See armed men i don't know qualifies as a security risk in my home. bonded and insured or not.

Also what if say you do a job for someone sitting on some drugs or something. you'll stand a good chance of getting killed. People don't generally attack repairmen do they?

phew this is a complex question...


edit - more on the fly by night outfits...

if the any of the guys that just finished a paint touch up job here at the house exposed a weapon, I likely would have called their boss right away.
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there is also society and custom. I do not believe it is customary to carry a gun while doing calls in people's homes unless you are a repo man or bounty hunter.

guess I'm going to buy 30.06 signs.....

To your question carrydove..... Repair guys get robbed all the time. We spend all day going from place to place. You may get called to some place way out in the middle of nowhere or you may have to go on a call in the worst spot in the city. ...think like a criminal/drug addict.. In my van, I have all kinds of stuff that a crackhead could pawn for a night full of free dope. Or they'll just trade for the drugs. Most commercial technicians make good money and the crooks know it. .So between our tools and personal money, we become targets .very likely scenario-- A nightclub on 6th street on a friday night has their a/c fail. They call me and I show up. I have to park in the alley so I can get on the roof. As I'm reaching in my van to get a tool.. A homeless guy pulls a knife and robs me. Then he disappears into the huge crowd.

[Abraham]

Repair guys ARE at risk - so I suggest again, put your gun in a rectangular, zippered pack - no muss - no fuss.

As repair guys, you're expected to carry tools and all sorts of items hang off your belt .

I sincerely doubt a home owner would bat an eye at a zippered pack with your gun in it, but a conventionally holstered one that's gets exposed, oh yeah...

[CowboyEngineer]

I carry to keep myself and my family safe. In dealing with others that is the rule that applies. If a stranger brings a gun into my home, I would assume he is a risk and would tell him to leave. He might be the nicest guy in the world, clean cut, dressed like a Morman missionary and have a Bible in his tool box, he is still an unknown with a gun and there is no work that he can do for me that someone else can't. I see no reason to expose my family to risk for his benefit.

[flechero]

If a stranger brings a gun into my home, I would assume he is a risk and would tell him to leave. .

Sadly that's the same reason the anti's use in gun free zone arguments and the same reason businesses use for 30.06 signs. I mean how can you blame them- what kind of whacko would carry a gun??? It really doesn't matter if it's your home, office, school, Church, etc.

Do you carry outside of your own home? Based on your own statement- no one should trust or allow you to carry anywhere outside your home.

[CowboyEngineer]

If a stranger brings a gun into my home, I would assume he is a risk and would tell him to leave. .

Sadly that's the same reason the anti's use in gun free zone arguments and the same reason businesses use for 30.06 signs. I mean how can you blame them- what kind of whacko would carry a gun??? It really doesn't matter if it's your home, office, school, Church, etc.

Do you carry outside of your own home? Based on your own statement- no one should trust or allow you to carry anywhere outside your home.

It seems to me that there are 3 ways that having a stranger with a gun in my house doing work for me can play out:

1. He is a good guy and nothing bad happens
2. He is a good guy and something bad accidentally happens.
3. He is a bad guy with evil on his mind.

Two of those scenarios place my family at risk. My job as husband, father, and grandfather is to protect my family and not expose them to risk. I carry in public for the same reason, to protect my family and myself. As far as others trusting me to carry in public, I think that is irrelevant, I carry where I am legally allowed to carry. Their opinion of my trustworthiness doesn't matter, the state has said I can. Of course, if someone asks me to leave their property I would. My home is a different story. I have a right to carry anyway I want in my home. A repairman in my employ has no right to remain on my property if I consider him a risk to my family. My family, my house, my rules.

[treeman]

Seems like a double standard to me. Trust me but I don't trust anyone else.