What would YOU do?

[nitrogen]

Keep my head down and try to stay out of sight, hand on weapon, still holstered. If possible, make sure that there's nobody between me and the guy should something become necessary.

Make a note of what the guy looks like; what he's wearing, everything he did. Call 911.

If he turns toward me, or looks like he's going to do anything other than run out of there with whatever money he's collected, I'll re-evaluate then.

[BrassMonkey]

I suppose complaining to the manager to open up another lane would be out of the question?

[stevie_d_64]

Keep my head down and try to stay out of sight, hand on weapon, still holstered. If possible, make sure that there's nobody between me and the guy should something become necessary.

Make a note of what the guy looks like; what he's wearing, everything he did. Call 911.

If he turns toward me, or looks like he's going to do anything other than run out of there with whatever money he's collected, I'll re-evaluate then.

Thats fine, but what if someone else observes "you" in that process, and doesn't see what has caused you to react in such a manner???

Then they make a phone call themselves...

Lets say its another CHL???

You may be prudent and correct in your reaction, but someone else may see it differently, and definitely out of context...

The actual BeeGee in this situation was very covert in their threat...Not intending anyone else but the cashier to see and comply with the threat...

We would probably be lucky to witness this crime...

You jump back as smoothly as possible behind the "endcap" of a cashiers aisle, peeking around the end of the Cosmo Magazines, reaching for your cell phone, and putting a hand on your carry weapon...

I'm going to notice that like old Webster, Texas's Engine No. 5 coming down Bay Area Blvd. with lights and sirens blaring...(little local humor...I used to drive that engine company)

Just something to think about...

[CHL/LEO]

Since I am not a police officer I do not have to act to stop the guy.

Either do Police Officers...

[jimlongley]

Cap him. After spending 30 minutes standing in the checkout at Walmart, I wouldn't be able to handle someone cutting in line like that.

Justifiable.

[portsider44]

Keep my head down and try to stay out of sight, hand on weapon, still holstered. If possible, make sure that there's nobody between me and the guy should something become necessary.

Make a note of what the guy looks like; what he's wearing, everything he did. Call 911.

If he turns toward me, or looks like he's going to do anything other than run out of there with whatever money he's collected, I'll re-evaluate then.

I agree

[pbandjelly]

agg robbery is a felon. you may use DeadlyForce to prevent the immediate commission of this felony, in this circumstance.

so, break out the Ha Do Ken!!!!


plug him, if you catch him using the threat of unlawful deadly force (showing the cashier his pistol), you can end the threat.

however, the second he starts running away, I'm going to pay for my Eggo's BlueBerry Waffles, and wait for the 5-0.

[NguyenVanDon]

From the looks on the video, the BG pulls out a handgun and pointed at the Wal-Mart Cashier for the money. I got a question...

We cannot help the 3rd party even if his/her life is a threat due to a handgun pointed at them?

Everyone here says they would duck and hide behind the counter and dial 911, but it's illegal for CHL to defend and help 3rd party? I don't get it. Someone please inform me about this? I'm confused...

[dihappy]

Yes you can use deadly force in defense of another if their life is in danger.

Not sure how this would play out in court if you did shoot him tho.
Im sure the opposition would say that he was just "showing" the gun, or threatening him or something.

They want you to wait for him to be shot i guess, unfortunately waiting for someone to be shot before using your own force is probably the only way you would be justified in these times.

[nitrogen]

From the looks on the video, the BG pulls out a handgun and pointed at the Wal-Mart Cashier for the money. I got a question...

We cannot help the 3rd party even if his/her life is a threat due to a handgun pointed at them?

Everyone here says they would duck and hide behind the counter and dial 911, but it's illegal for CHL to defend and help 3rd party? I don't get it. Someone please inform me about this? I'm confused...

You can defend a 3rd party by law.

Personally, In a case like this, I probably would just sit back. I don't carry a gun to be a police officer wannabe, I carry one to protect myself and my loved ones.

Some might call it cowardice, but I call it wanting to go home.

Now, if I feel I could safely come to the aid of a 3rd person, I would, but I'd be hard pressed to do it in a situation like this.

[hi-power]

http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... a+shooting

Remember that CHL shooting in Oklahoma that we talked about a couple of weeks ago? That shooting was just like this one where the CHL was in line and 2 robbers came in and one stuck a gun to the head of the clerk. He snuck out his gun and shot them. He faces no charges for doing that. Same thing goes here in Texas:

Texas Penal Code
§9.33. Defense of third person.

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against
another to protect a third person if:

(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes
them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31 or 9.32
in using force or deadly force to protect himself against the unlawful
force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes to be
threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

(2) the actor reasonably believes that his intervention is
immediately necessary to protect the third person.

[edited for clarity]

[NcongruNt]

Given this specific situation, I wouldn't have acted with my weapon. It would all come down to perception of the events as they unfold. Given the description of the events, it doesn't seem likely that the guy was out to shoot the cashier.

I am reminded of a grocery store incident posted on this forum several weeks ago regarding a robbery at a grocery store. There was a CHL holder who witnessed someone put a gun to the head of the manager. The guy's perception was that the manager was about to be killed, so he drew and fired on the gunman, saving the manager from imminent death. In such a situation the probability of drawing my weapon is going to go way up. I can't say for certain what I would do in such a situation, and it would all come down to my perception of the unfolding events along with a myriad of other variables.

[NcongruNt]

hi-power beat me to it.

As I mentioned in the reasons I stated above, though - I wouldn't call it "just like" this situation.

[Syntax360]

Cap him. After spending 30 minutes standing in the checkout at Walmart, I wouldn't be able to handle someone cutting in line like that.

I agree with everyone else - I would move for cover and not provoke anything. I wouldn't act unless I was genuinely feared for my life.

[hi-power]

As I mentioned in the reasons I stated above, though - I wouldn't call it "just like" this situation.

You're right, the video shows no one in line. I guess I was going by the original question of "You are in line at Wal-Mart and this happens."

If I was a lot closer to this BG who is crazy enough to rob the store with people waiting in line, my odds of drawing would go up dramatically. The part in §9.33 about "reasonably believes that his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person" would have been satisfied, as far as I'm concerned.