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baldeagle wrote:The live stream I posted the other day is no longer working. This one is - http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmer ... tream.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The state witness.....NWP coordinator, said, when asked about NWP volunteers carrying fireams:
No, it’s not my place to tell participants not to carry a gun, that’s their right.
Bravo. The PROSECUTION witness testimony highlights what a farce, travesty, and railroad job this trial is.
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The witness used media pictures to determine the size of the individuals involved. She admitted the picture she used of Trayvon was the one in his football uniform when he was about 7 years old.

Had to be a face-palm moment for the prosecution.
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sjfcontrol wrote:The witness used media pictures to determine the size of the individuals involved. She admitted the picture she used of Trayvon was the one in his football uniform when he was about 7 years old.

Had to be a face-palm moment for the prosecution.
They've been having a few of those. Especially the witness yesterday who admitted that she had signed the Martin family's change.org petition to prosecute the killer of their son.
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baldeagle wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:The witness used media pictures to determine the size of the individuals involved. She admitted the picture she used of Trayvon was the one in his football uniform when he was about 7 years old.

Had to be a face-palm moment for the prosecution.
They've been having a few of those. Especially the witness yesterday who admitted that she had signed the Martin family's change.org petition to prosecute the killer of their son.
It will be interesting to see if the jury will take that into account in consideration of her "testimony." I use quote marks specifically with regard to hers, as a primary definition of the word "testimony" is: "In law and in religion, testimony is a solemn attestation as to the truth of a matter." (SOURCE) Lest there be any confusion, to "testify" is to provide testimony. So if her testimony is not truthful, it is not testimony. It cannot be truthful when she admits to being part of an online movement to railroad the defendant.
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The state's witness this afternoon is creating a new measuring stick for incompetence and stupidity.
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fickman wrote:The state's witness this afternoon is creating a new measuring stick for incompetence and stupidity.
Low-information voter. :mrgreen:

and she DIDN'T want to come back tomorrow!
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sjfcontrol wrote:
fickman wrote:The state's witness this afternoon is creating a new measuring stick for incompetence and stupidity.
Low-information voter. :mrgreen:

and she DIDN'T want to come back tomorrow!
I was watching Fox and the analysts seemed to be stunned that the defense, on cross, did not attack the inconsistencies in the various statements made over time by the state's star witness, and basically the defense had really blown it. Unless there was more to follow that did that, that was not covered live, I would tend agree with them.
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G26ster wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:
fickman wrote:The state's witness this afternoon is creating a new measuring stick for incompetence and stupidity.
Low-information voter. :mrgreen:

and she DIDN'T want to come back tomorrow!
I was watching Fox and the analysts seemed to be stunned that the defense, on cross, did not attack the inconsistencies in the various statements made over time by the state's star witness, and basically the defense had really blown it. Unless there was more to follow that did that, that was not covered live, I would tend agree with them.
That's what he was doing when they quit for the evening. Toward the end, the judge asked how long the defense expected the cross to continue. The lawyer said he couldn't say for sure, but at least a couple more hours. The witness was NOT pleased. It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't show up in the morning.

See seems to have a bit of a 'tude, as my wife says. Also she speaks VERY low, and mumbles. Nobody, including the court reporter can understand her. Have to make her repeat herself over and over to be understood.
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G26ster wrote:...

I was watching Fox and the analysts seemed to be stunned that the defense, on cross, did not attack the inconsistencies in the various statements made over time by the state's star witness, and basically the defense had really blown it. Unless there was more to follow that did that, that was not covered live, I would tend agree with them.
The tweet feed I am following had two different observers note that when the judge asked West (Z's lawyer) how much more he was going to question the "star witness," he said "couple hours." And he has all night to prepare. So we'll see tomorrow.
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AndyC wrote:That "lady" really has an attitude problem.

Her comprehension skills aren't too good, either - I could almost see her saying "Duhhhhhh...." as she tried to follow along.
Somebody posted a number of her FB posts (which I think she tried to delete). I understand FB posts are not graded end-of-course essays, but the garbled incomprehensibility of them was... stunning. And what could be understood was mostly about getting intoxicated.
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You can tell that she is not giving her testimony as verbatim accounts. She's telling her version of the stories as if she's gossiping with friends. . . communicating the gist, using tons of slang, slurring her words, mumbling, etc. He will point out the inconsistencies. It's hard to distinguish what she said vs. what she meant to say, which still might be wrong. She has a lot of verb / noun disagreement, changes of tense within a sentence, and dozens of undefined pronouns in each statement.

The problem is that she's so stupid, she misses his grand points and gets confused easily. Then he has to painstakingly repeat every question so that a preschooler could understand it. That's when she gets attitude and becomes obviously uncooperative with the defense. I'm sure he doesn't want to look like he's bullying the victim's friend.

The jury is likely to think she's more careless, inattentive, and uneducated than outright lying. She has already admitted on the stand to lying on at least two occasions (when she was not under oath) and that she didn't take the interview with Martin's family seriously, so the statements from that are "rushed" and "inaccurate".
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G26ster wrote: I was watching Fox and the analysts seemed to be stunned that the defense, on cross, did not attack the inconsistencies in the various statements made over time by the state's star witness, and basically the defense had really blown it. Unless there was more to follow that did that, that was not covered live, I would tend agree with them.
I was watching on HLN. He is slowly and gently getting her to impeach herself and admit to inconsistencies. He does want to come across as a bully. She has a real bad attitude, does not want to be there, and has been heavily coached by the prosecution and the Martin's attorney (Crump).

If I was a juror I would not believe a word of her testimony.
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Anybody who,would convict somebody on a charge of 2nd degree murder on the basis of HER testimony has some other agenda in mind.
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sjfcontrol wrote:Anybody who,would convict somebody on a charge of 2nd degree murder on the basis of HER testimony has some other agenda in mind.
Do ya think?
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