17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Is it just me, or did the prosecutor just define "beyond a reasonable doubt" as "beyond any doubt"?
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It's all over - up to the Jury now.
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Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
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Maybe to explain what constitutes "reasonable" to the prosecution?sjfcontrol wrote:Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
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Whatever it means, it's now too late for the lawyers to do anything about it.Jaguar wrote:Maybe to explain what constitutes "reasonable" to the prosecution?sjfcontrol wrote:Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
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AMENJaguar wrote:It's all over - up to the Jury now.
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Maybe MOM can explain it to the judge for the jury instructions.sjfcontrol wrote:Whatever it means, it's now too late for the lawyers to do anything about it.Jaguar wrote:Maybe to explain what constitutes "reasonable" to the prosecution?sjfcontrol wrote:Which makes me wonder why the judge needs a conference with the attorneys.
If they follow defense advice and ask themselves if the state proved beyond reasonable doubt that Z did not have justification for using deadly force, which the state did not, then I expect a verdict of not guilty before 3:30. If it goes longer I would expect a guilty of manslaughter verdict as a compromise between facts and feelings. Sad.
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I tip my hat to those early on who said wait. Much of what media said was either totally incorrect or twisted slightly to misrepresent. Bravo to the forum vets!
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Suck Up!sugar land dave wrote:I tip my hat to those early on who said wait. Much of what media said was either totally incorrect or twisted slightly to misrepresent. Bravo to the forum vets!
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL
Here is an interesting thought.....
if the jury returns a guilty verdict today, is GZ going to be immediately taken back into custody? I've seen it go both ways.
if the jury returns a guilty verdict today, is GZ going to be immediately taken back into custody? I've seen it go both ways.
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Most likely, yes. And, TBH, solitary confinement is probably the best (definitely the safest) place for him while going through the appeals (which, according to Andrew Branca, will take at least a year just for the first one).texanjoker wrote:Here is an interesting thought.....
if the jury returns a guilty verdict today, is GZ going to be immediately taken back into custody? I've seen it go both ways.
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All I know is if they convict George Zimmerman, it won't be safe for any Mexican American who has light skin to walk the streets in Florida. It will be open season on them.
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03Lightningrocks wrote:All I know is if they convict George Zimmerman, it won't be safe for any Mexican American who has light skin to walk the streets in Florida. It will be open season on them.
I don't think they're that concerned.