Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)

[mojo84]

I agree with what you are saying and there are exceptions to everything. If he would have had a gun and been willing to use it, I bet things would have been different. It could have been one of the many times the gun stopped a crime without having to be fired.

[Ameer]

I agree with what you are saying and there are exceptions to everything. If he would have had a gun and been willing to use it, I bet things would have been different.

I bet things would have been very different ii he had been willing to use his truck as an offensive weapon. Instead of just using it to try to escape. If he had actively tried to thin the pack of rabid chihuahuas attacking his family, he might have been able to escape and get them to safety.

[tommyg]

Maybe this a repititious post but I'm 62 I have been riding motorcycles since I was 14
I don't like hooligans that give all of the rest of us that ride a bad rap.

I'm working a night shift things are slow tonight. My 1200 cc Sportster is in a designated
motorcycle space inside a locked compounf it will stay there until I get off work in the morning,
then I will ride it home like I do every day if the weather is not real bad. Motorcycles are a great
way to get around and the operating costs are low.

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders) would behave themselves .
I wish the bad element 1% of gun owners would behave themselves
I guess this is asking too much

[Jumping Frog]

Can't link correctly from phone, but there are three NYPD participating in the motorcycle ride. They are restricted to desk duty pending investigation for failure to timely report they were there.

Their failure to timely report could be charged as obstruction.

One was an undercover detective. The other two were off-duty.

[Redneck_Buddha]

Can't link correctly from phone, but there are three NYPD participating in the motorcycle ride. They are restricted to desk duty pending investigation for failure to timely report they were there.

Their failure to timely report could be charged as obstruction.

One was an undercover detective. The other two were off-duty.

Not only that, but supposedly one was caught on video smashing the SUV's rear window.

[bayouhazard]

NYPD? Enough said.

[AlaskanInTexas]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

[E.Marquez]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

Live in a cesspool, get to see, observe those that live there with you. (in your case Drive in a cesspool, might be a truer statement)

I understand your perception of 75% bikers being in the wrong.. I have that same impression of those that live there in totality.. not just the ones stunting on the freeway on a bike.
My personal opinion of Dallas, and those that would choose to live there would not be allowed on this forum. Likely..my limited personal observations are simply limiting my ability to see the "real" Dallas.. so i can see who your misconception of bikes could happen as well

[suthdj]

I think the same idiots we see on bikes are the same idiots we see in cars. I drive to/from Farmers Branch-Keller every day and see some of the worst drivers I have ever seen I really need to get a camera.

[talltex]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

I've been riding since I was 12 years old, and I'm sickened by what happened to the Lien family, but that 75% number is just ridiculous overall...although your experience may very well be skewed by where and when you are encountering them. Come on down to the country and you'll have a much different perception. I'd really be surprised if you came up with the 1% that tommyg mentioned. I honestly just don't see any of it here, and I'm out on the roads all around this area in my truck every day of the week.

[cb1000rider]

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

As a biker, I'm sorry that you've had that experience. I've found bikers as a whole to be pretty gregarious and nice guys that can look a bit intimidating. Of course, that's usually meeting them as a biker.

That "gang" that was riding sport bikes - and hey, I rode sportbikes for years.. But running Go-Pro cameras, passengers with marginal (if any) safety gear, and they're definitely out there to show off in traffic - these aren't the guys that I'm talking about. I think they're something different than lifetime motorcycle riders.

It's dangerous being on a motorcycle. And without exception someone in a "cage" (enclosed vehicle) will eventually endanger you. Most of the time it's due to being non-situationally aware. Those incidents carry a high risk of personal injury. I know that I've gotten hot headed at least once in my past and reacted badly. However, a swarm of 30+ bikes breaking all sorts of traffic laws is a different beast... They were doing the harassing taking up that many lanes in that traffic pattern. There is no excuse for that behavior and they certainly weren't riding defensively.

75% being bad? No way.

[AlaskanInTexas]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

I've been riding since I was 12 years old, and I'm sickened by what happened to the Lien family, but that 75% number is just ridiculous overall...although your experience may very well be skewed by where and when you are encountering them. Come on down to the country and you'll have a much different perception. I'd really be surprised if you came up with the 1% that tommyg mentioned. I honestly just don't see any of it here, and I'm out on the roads all around this area in my truck every day of the week.

I'm glad to hear that it is better in your neck of the woods...after dark on the Dallas freeways can be pretty scary. There is virtually no enforcement (at least on the Dallas County stretch of US 75), so anything goes. It is not unusual in my 25 mile commute to be passed by 5 people going well over 100mph; often in packs.

[cb1000rider]

There is enforcement in Dallas county, but it can get pretty sparse. We're talking about motorcycles that can hit 60 mph in under 2 seconds and have top speeds (even limited) approaching 180mph. You cannot catch them in a patrol car short of an accident or deploying enough resources to do a road block if they decide they don't want to stop. I think the enforcement may be a bit more selective due to pursuit policy and public risk, but I'm just guessing... They're most likely going to kill themselves.

Speeding is a different ball of wax than actively assaulting a vehicle when you've got a big numbers advantage and you're not being threatened.

[gemini]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

I've been riding since I was 12 years old, and I'm sickened by what happened to the Lien family, but that 75% number is just ridiculous overall...although your experience may very well be skewed by where and when you are encountering them. Come on down to the country and you'll have a much different perception. I'd really be surprised if you came up with the 1% that tommyg mentioned. I honestly just don't see any of it here, and I'm out on the roads all around this area in my truck every day of the week.

I'm glad to hear that it is better in your neck of the woods...after dark on the Dallas freeways can be pretty scary. There is virtually no enforcement (at least on the Dallas County stretch of US 75), so anything goes. It is not unusual in my 25 mile commute to be passed by 5 people going well over 100mph; often in packs.

It kind of sounds like you're not really intimidated by the crazy crotch rocket riders, but rather upset that they passed you on your 25 mile commute.
Relax. Let the laws of "natural selection" prevail.

[Keith B]

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