Will outstanding Tolls disqualify me?

[The Annoyed Man]

We sold a nice condition used Crown Victoria LX to a young lady from Oak Cliff. Signed over the pink slip, etc., etc., etc.

6 months later, I got a bill from the NTTA, for a car matching the description and license# of that Crown Vic. She never reregistered the car in her name. I still had her contact information, which I gave to NTTA, and I had to sign some kind of affidavit that we had sold the car, to whom, and when, and they lifted the fees/fines from our name. I then phoned her, told her what was up, and suggested that she might want to reregister the car and take care of her bills before they take it away from her.

There is a category of person in this world. . . . .and this transcends skin color/ethnicity. . . . .who just doesn't care about the laws or the effect of their actions. . . .or inactions. . . . upon other people. I don't have much patience for that kind of person.

[RottenApple]

I haven't bought or sold a vehicle in a private sale since moving to Texas, but did so a number of times in NOLA over the years. There you simply met the other party at a title transfer company. In a matter of a few minutes everything was legally transferred and registered with the state. They also verified that the purchasing party left with a clean title (any loans against the vehicle had to be paid on the spot by the seller before the transfer was completed). Does Texas not have a similar system?

Nope. It's up to the buyer to verify the title is clear. But, as I posted above, the seller can release all liability to the vehicle by reporting the sale to the state. So even if the buyer chooses not to register it, you, the seller, is off the hook for anything involving the vehicle.

[srothstein]

Yeah mine were from a truck I had sold and the new owners racked up a bunch of tolls before they transferred the title, and from some times my toll tag didn't read.

I remove the license plates and registration sticker when I sell any of my vehicles. The new owner is basically forced to go register the vehicle in their name. Can't drive around without license plates.

Not necessary to do all that. Just report the vehicle as sold: https://vision21.txdmv.gov/Vehicle/Main ... ation.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I've used that before and had nary an issue.

Not necessary to do this if you sell to an individual, but I recommend it. It is required by law if you sell to a dealer. Of course, if you do remove the tag, you get to place it on your new/replacement car. It keeps the part of the year you already paid for and not used, so you get your money's worth. See Transportation Code Section 504.901.

[Dragonfighter]

I can't speak for the OP but here is what happened to me. I bought a used car from an incompetent, dishonest used car lot (redundant?). Anyway the title arrives and I open the envelope see it's in there and toss it in the firebox.

We use the 121 tollway a couple of times and no bills. I get nervous and call NTTA and find out there is nothing under my name or address. A few months later I receive a bill for approx $18 worth of tolls and over $350 in fines and late fees. I get on the phone with NTTA and as I am talking to them, I notice the bill has the wrong name and address on it

So you're saying the toll violations were not under your name?

Yup. It was our car, and we did earn the tolls but they couldn't find it under my name when we called and no bill ever came to the house until that one that was nearly $400; all thanks to the flubbed title work. I also had a similar incident to what TAM experienced (same car btw) and called the guy who bought it and he swore up and down they sent in the registration. The NTTA lady walked me through the process of filing the transfer with DMV online. It can be a mess.

[sjfcontrol]

I can't speak for the OP but here is what happened to me. I bought a used car from an incompetent, dishonest used car lot (redundant?). Anyway the title arrives and I open the envelope see it's in there and toss it in the firebox.

We use the 121 tollway a couple of times and no bills. I get nervous and call NTTA and find out there is nothing under my name or address. A few months later I receive a bill for approx $18 worth of tolls and over $350 in fines and late fees. I get on the phone with NTTA and as I am talking to them, I notice the bill has the wrong name and address on it but the right car (how it ever found my house I do not know, I guess it had just enough information). I am arguing with them about it and eventually get a one time courtesy waiver and find out that the DMV had the wrong information. I go look at the title and sure enough, it has my first and middle name and a partial but incomplete address.

I had to call the DMV and get it all corrected. I guess the point is, the OP could very well turn around one day and have a bill from NTTA worth hundreds or even thousands of dollars by something as simple as a clerical error. Yup, pay your tolls but if you and even the NTTA can't find the information, then what else are you supposed to do.

FWIW, I bought toll tags for everyone in my household.

Toll Tags (or "Toe Tags", as my wife calls 'em) aren't necessarily a perfect solution. I was recently charged $144 for picking my wife up at DFW. Less than 30 minutes in the airport. Yes, I got it resolved.

[tomtexan]

Toll Tags (or "Toe Tags", as my wife calls 'em) aren't necessarily a perfect solution. I was recently charged $144 for picking my wife up at DFW. Less than 30 minutes in the airport. Yes, I got it resolved.

True. They don't always communicate. At that point it takes a pic of the license plate and deducts the toll from my account. I usually see this at least once a month or so on my statement.

[sjfcontrol]

Toll Tags (or "Toe Tags", as my wife calls 'em) aren't necessarily a perfect solution. I was recently charged $144 for picking my wife up at DFW. Less than 30 minutes in the airport. Yes, I got it resolved.

True. They don't always communicate. At that point it takes a pic of the license plate and deducts the toll from my account. I usually see this at least once a month or so on my statement.

In my case, it didn't detect my leaving the airport the previous week when I dropped her off. When I re-entered to pick her up -- and subsequently left, I was charged for an entire week of parking. I've never experienced (to my knowledge) a missed communication. It was a DFW airport problem that they've admitted to.

[tbrown]

Can't drive around without license plates.

Can't drive it home? Can't buy it.

[tomtexan]

Can't drive around without license plates.

Can't drive it home? Can't buy it.

Oh but they do and did.

[thenick_ttu]

This was the first response in this thread...

Will outstanding Toll fees disqualify me from getting my CHL? Who would I contact to find out?

Why not just pay your tolls. . . . .like everyone else does?

Then, you come back two pages later and tell us this story...

We sold a nice condition used Crown Victoria LX to a young lady from Oak Cliff. Signed over the pink slip, etc., etc., etc.

6 months later, I got a bill from the NTTA, for a car matching the description and license# of that Crown Vic. She never reregistered the car in her name. I still had her contact information, which I gave to NTTA, and I had to sign some kind of affidavit that we had sold the car, to whom, and when, and they lifted the fees/fines from our name. I then phoned her, told her what was up, and suggested that she might want to reregister the car and take care of her bills before they take it away from her.

There is a category of person in this world. . . . .and this transcends skin color/ethnicity. . . . .who just doesn't care about the laws or the effect of their actions. . . .or inactions. . . . upon other people. I don't have much patience for that kind of person.

How do you know the OP wasn't in a similar situation as you and he decided it wasn't worth his time to explain it all in his post?

This forum is normally very respectful and helpful but there is a lot of jumping to conclusions and judgemental people in this thread... very sad.

[mojo84]

This was the first response in this thread...

Will outstanding Toll fees disqualify me from getting my CHL? Who would I contact to find out?

Why not just pay your tolls. . . . .like everyone else does?

Then, you come back two pages later and tell us this story...

We sold a nice condition used Crown Victoria LX to a young lady from Oak Cliff. Signed over the pink slip, etc., etc., etc.

6 months later, I got a bill from the NTTA, for a car matching the description and license# of that Crown Vic. She never reregistered the car in her name. I still had her contact information, which I gave to NTTA, and I had to sign some kind of affidavit that we had sold the car, to whom, and when, and they lifted the fees/fines from our name. I then phoned her, told her what was up, and suggested that she might want to reregister the car and take care of her bills before they take it away from her.

There is a category of person in this world. . . . .and this transcends skin color/ethnicity. . . . .who just doesn't care about the laws or the effect of their actions. . . .or inactions. . . . upon other people. I don't have much patience for that kind of person.

How do you know the OP wasn't in a similar situation as you and he decided it wasn't worth his time to explain it all in his post?

This forum is normally very respectful and helpful but there is a lot of jumping to conclusions and judgemental people in this thread... very sad.

Did you not see the OP's second post where he acknowledged paying the tolls would be the right thing to do? If they weren't his, I doubt he would have acknowledged this.

Just because one doesn't get the answer they want doesn't mean they were disrespected or mistreated. If I came on here asking if unpaid child support was a disqualifier, don't you think I would get plenty of people telling me to do what is right?

We should all be adults here and treat others as such. When we get treated as such we shouldn't whine that we were "disrespected" like so many like to claim. If he has outstanding tolls he should pay them. If they are not his, he should take steps to rectify the situation. Then there would be no doubt.

[sunny beach]

Just because one doesn't get the answer they want doesn't mean they were disrespected or mistreated. If I came on here asking if unpaid child support was a disqualifier, don't you think I would get plenty of people telling me to do what is right?

That depends. Some people think the ten year wait for deferred adjudication of a felony is reasonable. Others think bank robbers should be able to apply for a CHL the day after they complete deferred adjudication.

[mojo84]

Just because one doesn't get the answer they want doesn't mean they were disrespected or mistreated. If I came on here asking if unpaid child support was a disqualifier, don't you think I would get plenty of people telling me to do what is right?

That depends. Some people think the ten year wait for deferred adjudication of a felony is reasonable. Others think bank robbers should be able to apply for a CHL the day after they complete deferred adjudication.

I gave my point of view. You are welcome to give yours. I'm not going to argue over this with you. My son sees the grass and trees as a shade of orange, that doesn't make it so.

[The Annoyed Man]

This was the first response in this thread...

Will outstanding Toll fees disqualify me from getting my CHL? Who would I contact to find out?

Why not just pay your tolls. . . . .like everyone else does?

Then, you come back two pages later and tell us this story...

We sold a nice condition used Crown Victoria LX to a young lady from Oak Cliff. Signed over the pink slip, etc., etc., etc.

6 months later, I got a bill from the NTTA, for a car matching the description and license# of that Crown Vic. She never reregistered the car in her name. I still had her contact information, which I gave to NTTA, and I had to sign some kind of affidavit that we had sold the car, to whom, and when, and they lifted the fees/fines from our name. I then phoned her, told her what was up, and suggested that she might want to reregister the car and take care of her bills before they take it away from her.

There is a category of person in this world. . . . .and this transcends skin color/ethnicity. . . . .who just doesn't care about the laws or the effect of their actions. . . .or inactions. . . . upon other people. I don't have much patience for that kind of person.

How do you know the OP wasn't in a similar situation as you and he decided it wasn't worth his time to explain it all in his post?

This forum is normally very respectful and helpful but there is a lot of jumping to conclusions and judgemental people in this thread... very sad.

Oh please! Spare me the uninformed lecture. You conveniently quoted my 1st and 3rd posts, and totally overlooked my 2nd post:

Tough crowd! FYI I talked to the state and no the tolls will not be an issue as long as no warrant has been issued. As for the all of the negativity, I cannot defend myself being in the wrong. I paid as much as I could afford today, will have the rest taken care of within the month.

Good for you. Keep it up, and good luck with the process.

Make sure you know what you're talking about before you drop a dollop of crap on somebody.

Secondly, I didn't judge him in my first post, I asked him a simple question. It was a purely practical question. It goes like this: "Why not do A, so you don't have to worry about B?" There's no judgement in that . . . . . . unless perhaps you've got a guilty conscience. If the OP had in fact exactly the same kind of issue I had, he could have said so, and I've have said, "I understand. I had something like that happen to me."

Don't read into my words what simply isn't there.

[03Lightningrocks]

I remember seeing an older lady on the news a few years ago. Her husband was some big time Doctor at a major hospital. They were loaded but she had run up like 30 grand in tolls and fines. She told the news person she did not realize she was suppose to pay a toll...LOL. That was back in the days with no toll tags and you had to stop or an alarm with lights and bells would go off as you drove through.

Hahaha... i googled to find her and found a better one. Check this out! 179K in tolls and fines. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/t ... 35675.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;