Requesting an ambulance?

[jbarn]

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.

I would NEVER stay on the phone with 911. Everything you say and is heard on that call can be used in court. How many times did we hear the Zimmerman 911 call?

"911, there has been an attempted robbery/ murder, whatever, and there has been a shooting. Please send the police and EMS. My name is Jbarn and I am wearing_______" CLICK.

Next call to attorney

911 is trained to try to keep you on the phone. They will ask you questions, questions that the answers to can be used against you in court. Being involved in a deadly force encounter is traumatic. I don't care how tough one thinks they are. You will like have suffered auditory exclusion, time distortion, tunnel vision, and have a distorted perception of the events immediately after the incident.

When the police arrive I will tell them I called, point out the person who attacked me and tell them I will press charges. (even if it is likely the person is deceased) Then I will tell them I would prefer to not make a statement until I consult with my attorney. I will otherwise fully cooperate.

[anygunanywhere]

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.

I would NEVER stay on the phone with 911. Everything you say and is heard on that call can be used in court. How many times did we hear the Zimmerman 911 call?

"911, there has been an attempted robbery/ murder, whatever, and there has been a shooting. Please send the police and EMS. My name is Jbarn and I am wearing_______" CLICK.

Next call to attorney

911 is trained to try to keep you on the phone. They will ask you questions, questions that the answers to can be used against you in court. Being involved in a deadly force encounter is traumatic. I don't care how tough one thinks they are. You will like have suffered auditory exclusion, time distortion, tunnel vision, and have a distorted perception of the events immediately after the incident.

When the police arrive I will tell them I called, point out the person who attacked me and tell them I will press charges. (even if it is likely the person is deceased) Then I will tell them I would prefer to not make a statement until I consult with my attorney. I will otherwise fully cooperate.

But you did not tell 911 you shot him.

You want to let them know you did it, and you explained why in the call. That way it is recorded.

Anygunanywhere

[Abraham]

I wonder what percentage of us has a number for an attorney...?

I know I don't, but I'm going to look into one.

Jbarn,

Should you expect 911 to call you back and press for more information?

If so, would you recommend shutting off your phone after making the 911 call or ...?

Thanks

P.S. You left off supplying your location - is that because 911 knows where it is when you make the call?

[jbarn]

I wonder what percentage of us has a number for an attorney...?

I know I don't, but I'm going to look into one.

Have a credit card type card in my wallet with an emergency number for my attorney. It also has a statement on it I can read to the officer or just had him the card that tells him I have counsel, and am invoking my rights under the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments, as well as Art 1, sec 9 & 10 of the Texas Constitution, and 38.22 of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure.

Jbarn,

Should you expect 911 to call you back and press for more information?

If so, would you recommend shutting off your phone after making the 911 call or ...?

Thanks

I suspect they will try. I don't have to answer. ;) And since I am not attorney, I would not make a suggestion for others....

P.S. You left off supplying your location - is that because 911 knows where it is when you make the call?

No, I would tell them where. Just forgot to post it.

[03Lightningrocks]

I wonder what percentage of us has a number for an attorney...?

I know I don't, but I'm going to look into one.

Jbarn,

Should you expect 911 to call you back and press for more information?

If so, would you recommend shutting off your phone after making the 911 call or ...?

Thanks

P.S. You left off supplying your location - is that because 911 knows where it is when you make the call?

I have my attorney's number on my smart phone.

[Abraham]

Now that is smart!

[WildBill]

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.

I would NEVER stay on the phone with 911. Everything you say and is heard on that call can be used in court. How many times did we hear the Zimmerman 911 call?

"911, there has been an attempted robbery/ murder, whatever, and there has been a shooting. Please send the police and EMS. My name is Jbarn and I am wearing_______" CLICK.

Next call to attorney

911 is trained to try to keep you on the phone. They will ask you questions, questions that the answers to can be used against you in court. Being involved in a deadly force encounter is traumatic. I don't care how tough one thinks they are. You will like have suffered auditory exclusion, time distortion, tunnel vision, and have a distorted perception of the events immediately after the incident.

When the police arrive I will tell them I called, point out the person who attacked me and tell them I will press charges. (even if it is likely the person is deceased) Then I will tell them I would prefer to not make a statement until I consult with my attorney. I will otherwise fully cooperate.

I might make an exception to this suggestion if I were in my home and thought there might be other BGs. That way I could be sure to know when the police were the scene.

[TomsTXCHL]

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.

This is wrong wrong wrong. There's a video around here somewhere with a law professor and a police investigator telling you in no uncertain terms to say nothing, nothing at all beyond the brief details already discussed.

To volunteer more information can never help you, but it can potentially hurt you!

BTW my CHL instructor played a 911 tape of a young woman in TX who "remained on the line with 911" and ended-up dead despite that she had a firearm. The nice 911 operator told her to "stay calm" and her attacker stabbed her to death. Horrific.

[The_Busy_Mom]

In another side discussion, I was told that it was best to remain on the line with 911, stay in a safe place/room, give 911 a good description of yourself, only secure gun and open doors when you confirm police have arrived.

That being said, I would also give them as much detail of the robber and definitely explain that shots were fired. I'm sure the 911 calls would be played in any trial/lawsuit, so I would want to be as honest as possible in such a difficult situation.

This is wrong wrong wrong. There's a video around here somewhere with a law professor and a police investigator telling you in no uncertain terms to say nothing, nothing at all beyond the brief details already discussed.

To volunteer more information can never help you, but it can potentially hurt you!

BTW my CHL instructor played a 911 tape of a young woman in TX who "remained on the line with 911" and ended-up dead despite that she had a firearm. The nice 911 operator told her to "stay calm" and her attacker stabbed her to death. Horrific.

Anyone know the name of the woman in the case above?

TBM

[Jnsey]

This topic brought up a good question for me, does anyone in the Panhandle know a good attorney for cases like this?

[TomsTXCHL]

BTW my CHL instructor played a 911 tape of a young woman in TX who "remained on the line with 911" and ended-up dead despite that she had a firearm. The nice 911 operator told her to "stay calm" and her attacker stabbed her to death. Horrific.

Anyone know the name of the woman in the case above?

After some surfing, it seems like it MIGHT have been Deanna Cook, but I could not find the 911 recording, and it seems Cook was strangled and I recall the incident played for us was a stabbing, and I don't think I've mis-remembered that the victim had a newly-acquired firearm (she'd been stalked in the past) that the 911 operator basically talked her out of using...

[Cedar Park Dad]

This is something that wasn't covered in my CHL class and I haven't seen it on here. What I do know is that my CHL instructor was insistent on saying as little as possible to 911 in the event that we had to use our weapon. She stated that we should "state your name, that you have been the victim of a crime and require immediate assistance at such and such location - then hang up".

Hypothetically speaking I just popped a guy for trying to rob me at gunpoint. He's bleeding out on the sidewalk while I'm on with 911. Should I tell 911 that I need an ambulance? Should I tell 911 that there have been injuries and let them decide what to send out?

Basically is there any requirement to request an ambulance for the injured party? I'm not sure I'm comfortable kicking rocks while someone dies in front of me regardless of what they just tried to do (if I've been able to secure the scene anyway) however I also don't want my asking for an ambulance being seen as some sort of guilt for having to do what was necessary to save my life.

The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.

Thats quite excellent. Thanks!

[tjcrosson]

I would not say that you had to shoot someone or something like that. Just state that you have been the victim of a crime and need LE and EMS. State to the 911 dispatcher what you are wearing and your information (age, race, height) and nothing else. Keep hands out of your pockets when LE arrive and do not be surprised if they detain you "for their safety" reholster your firearm but be prepared to use it again before LE get there in case the BG gets up or has some friends. Immediately after contact with the police invoke your right to remain silent and you would like to speak to your attorney before any further questioning and have your attorney present. In Texas you have the right to remain silent but you MUST invoke this right. Technically they have to stop asking you questions at this point. If EMS wants to treat or transport you, you should probably comply. Make no statements as far as what happens, you just shot someone and are not in a sound mind.

Just my thoughts and what [Pre-paid legal service] has told me!

[WildBill]

I would not say that you had to shoot someone or something like that. Just state that you have been the victim of a crime and need LE and EMS. State to the 911 dispatcher what you are wearing and your information (age, race, height) and nothing else. Keep hands out of your pockets when LE arrive and do not be surprised if they detain you "for their safety" reholster your firearm but be prepared to use it again before LE get there in case the BG gets up or has some friends. Immediately after contact with the police invoke your right to remain silent and you would like to speak to your attorney before any further questioning and have your attorney present. In Texas you have the right to remain silent but you MUST invoke this right. Technically they have to stop asking you questions at this point. If EMS wants to treat or transport you, you should probably comply. Make no statements as far as what happens, you just shot someone and are not in a sound mind.

Just my thoughts and what [Pre-paid legal service] has told me!

Are you calling the ambulance for yourself or the [hypothetical] person you have shot?

[Dragonfighter]

The advice is to tell 911 'My name is XXXX. I am at XXXXX location. I just had to shoot a man (woman) that tried to rob me at gunpoint. Please send police and an ambulance.' That is all you need to say. Have your gun put away when they arrive. If the scene is not safe, move from there, but tell the police where you are and when they arrive they can go back to the other scene.

Thanks Keith! I figured it was as simple as that but it hadn't crossed my mind until the other day and since then I couldn't really come up with an answer.

Have your gun put away and be prepared to be taken into custody at gun point. You will be disarmed and they will then sort it out after the scene is safe. This will take a while.

Even when our squad practiced rescues of prisoners or evading airmen, etc. We took everyone of them to the ground, hands behind their head until we were sure they weren't a threat.