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Re: door security

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CHLLady wrote:
Schwarf wrote:I agree with a lot of what I'm hearing. Would still like to know if anyone can recommend a company to install door armor. My goal isn't to make a fortress, but to buy a few extra seconds at two in morning if someone tries to break in, so I can get armed.
They sell the door armor products at Lowes, call them and ask for an installer.

I think you are doing the right thing. They quite often kick in doors, why make it easy for them? Maybe they will break their ankle trying to kick your door in. Lol.

Good luck! Taking home security seriously is to be applauded! :clapping:
The folks at Lowes won't have a clue.

If you want a quick education and some insight into good options, trot down to your local locksmith shop and chat with the owner for a bit. He cleans up the aftermath of a lot of break ins and break in attempts. He sees first hand what works and what doesn't.

I'm pretty sure you'll find it eye opening.
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Re: door security

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Excaliber wrote:One of the easiest and cheapest solutions for when you're in the house can be found here.

You don't need to feed it, take it to the vet, or clean up the yard after it. It works a lot better than you might think as a delay element, and it makes forcible entry neither quiet nor quick.

I think that makes it worth 20 bucks.
We use the door security bar on all of our doors including the bedroom door when we go to sleep. By the time they knock it down and the alarm is going off I am praying I can be up by then.

This is also easy to pack up and carry with you to a hotel.
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suthdj wrote:http://youtu.be/_gobdsMMLMg cause I can't embed
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carlson1 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:One of the easiest and cheapest solutions for when you're in the house can be found here.

You don't need to feed it, take it to the vet, or clean up the yard after it. It works a lot better than you might think as a delay element, and it makes forcible entry neither quiet nor quick.

I think that makes it worth 20 bucks.
We use the door security bar on all of our doors including the bedroom door when we go to sleep. By the time they knock it down and the alarm is going off I am praying I can be up by then.

This is also easy to pack up and carry with you to a hotel.
Something like this is easier to pack and works plenty well on solid doors, especially those with steel frames.
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Excaliber wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:One of the easiest and cheapest solutions for when you're in the house can be found here.

You don't need to feed it, take it to the vet, or clean up the yard after it. It works a lot better than you might think as a delay element, and it makes forcible entry neither quiet nor quick.

I think that makes it worth 20 bucks.
We use the door security bar on all of our doors including the bedroom door when we go to sleep. By the time they knock it down and the alarm is going off I am praying I can be up by then.

This is also easy to pack up and carry with you to a hotel.
Something like this is easier to pack and works plenty well on solid doors, especially those with steel frames.
Less expensive too.
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carlson1 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
Excaliber wrote:One of the easiest and cheapest solutions for when you're in the house can be found here.

You don't need to feed it, take it to the vet, or clean up the yard after it. It works a lot better than you might think as a delay element, and it makes forcible entry neither quiet nor quick.

I think that makes it worth 20 bucks.
We use the door security bar on all of our doors including the bedroom door when we go to sleep. By the time they knock it down and the alarm is going off I am praying I can be up by then.

This is also easy to pack up and carry with you to a hotel.
Something like this is easier to pack and works plenty well on solid doors, especially those with steel frames.
Less expensive too.
Not to mention it's a lot easier to get past your friendly TSA agent with than with the barricade bar.
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That should work fine if they can't spread the door frame.
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gringo pistolero wrote:
That should work fine if they can't spread the door frame.
Only the multipoint deadbolts like the ones I cited in an earlier post address all types of attacks, and even they can be defeated with enough tools, time, and effort. They are priced accordingly, and are not portable by any means.

The simple auxiliary lock cited above mitigates unauthorized use of a key or moderate direct force applied without tools. These two methods of entry are the most common in hotels and motels.

There are auxiliary locks that will resist even a door prying attack, but they are very substantially bulkier, more expensive, and more difficult to apply and remove.

Nothing you can carry will give you everything at once. You need to identify the actual risks and balance effectiveness with affordability and portability.

Security is not an absolute. It's all about managing risk. No matter how much you do, you will never bring that risk to zero.

That's just the way it is.
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Excaliber wrote:
gringo pistolero wrote:
That should work fine if they can't spread the door frame.
Only the multipoint deadbolts like the ones I cited in an earlier post address all types of attacks, and even they can be defeated with enough tools, time, and effort. They are priced accordingly, and are not portable by any means.

The simple auxiliary lock cited above mitigates unauthorized use of a key or moderate direct force applied without tools. These two methods of entry are the most common in hotels and motels.

There are auxiliary locks that will resist even a door prying attack, but they are very substantially bulkier, more expensive, and more difficult to apply and remove.

Nothing you can carry will give you everything at once. You need to identify the actual risks and balance effectiveness with affordability and portability.

Security is not an absolute. It's all about managing risk. No matter how much you do, you will never bring that risk to zero.

You assess your risks, decide on your risk tolerance, and apply whatever mitigation measures bring the risks within your tolerance or to the point where you reach the breaking point of your budget. From that point forward, you live with the residual risk.
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That works.

Now who's going to say, "But what if the BG comes in a beekeeper's suit?" :lol:
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Excaliber wrote:One of the easiest and cheapest solutions for when you're in the house can be found here.

You don't need to feed it, take it to the vet, or clean up the yard after it. It works a lot better than you might think as a delay element, and it makes forcible entry neither quiet nor quick.

I think that makes it worth 20 bucks.
I use one on each entry door and one on the bedroom door. And we have dogs, so I'm hoping the alert from the dogs and the two barriers to entry will provide enough time to wake up and arm myself.
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suthdj wrote:http://youtu.be/_gobdsMMLMg cause I can't embed
I like his idea of using the lag thread screw eye to run a door bar through. Since the eye is just made by bending the shaft, I would either weld it closed or try to find one with a forged closed eye. Something like the eye on this eye bolt, but with the longer lag screw threads on it.

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Couldn't find forged lag thread screw eyes at Home Depot, but they're available online from various companies.

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I would go with 1/2" shaft diameter and instead of a round bar, I would use a 1/2" square solid bar (i.e. not square tubing). I would also not just use one bar. Depending upon whether the door had any glass in it, I would use at least 2 and maybe 3.

The main thing that I like about this solution is that you can tell at a glance whether the door is secure before going to bed at night. With a standard dead bolt, you have to get closer to see if the bolt is extended past the door and into the door jamb, but even then, it's possible for the bolt to not be fully extended. I do not trust my wife and daughter to lock the doors correctly since I've noticed a few times when they "locked" the door, but it was still possible for me to just pull the door open without unlocking it. As with most women, it doesn't do any good to point out their mistake either.

One of the problems with protecting windows in a house is that if you put bars on them, it makes the house look like it lives in a high crime area. On the other hand, if your windows are of the multi-pane type, you can custom built your bars so that they are placed exactly in the same place as the vertical and horizontal pieces of the frames for the panes and mount them on the inside of the windows and thus they will be hidden from the casual observer outside.

The windows on my house came with this type of sash lock.

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It's diecast zinc and the handle on the lock often breaks when you attempt to latch it closed. Windows don't get opened much here in the Houston area since the air-conditioner tends to get run most of the year. Every time that I've broke it, it was after opening the window for cleaning of the bottom area of the dirt that accumulated over the year. Seems that every time I do that, about half of the locks break when I'm relocking the windows afterwards. My solution to this was to just get a small piece of stainless steel that would extend into the locking area on the other part of the window while also fitting flush with the inner portion of the window. I then mount the diecast zinc lock over it so that it looks like it has a regular lock on it. I cut off the actual part of the latch that rotates into the window so the lock only *looks* like it works. The only way to open a window is to unscrew the screws and remove the lock. I figure that if someone breaks the window and tries to operate the latch, they will think that they have unlocked it and once they realize it won't open, they'll either start looking for a side lock or just figure that it has been painted shut. :) For them to open it, even if they know what I've done, they're going to have to break at least two panes of glass and then reach in through the broken glass and remove four screws. If I'm home, that's going to slow them down enough that I can address the situation on a more "personal" level. If I'm not here, there are other measures that will make them wish that they had chosen an easier house to burglarize. I haven't done this to all the windows in the house yet. It's kind of an ongoing project as the window latches break.

The fact of the matter though is that all we can do is make it more difficult for a burglar to enter our house. We cannot make it completely impervious to attack. A determined attacker could enter a house through a brick wall with just a sledge hammer. A wood sided house would be even easier. A cinder block house would be more difficult, but ONLY if the voids are filled with rebar that is tied to the rebar in the slab and concrete.
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