EEllis wrote:Charlies.Contingency wrote:
So every other day is good enough for you? Please, you speak of it as it it doesn't happen, because you have not witnessed it yourself I suppose. I hate to say that I've gone from talking to somebody, to have them think they can pull out my glock my level III blackhawk duty holster. I say this, because I've been there, not because I'm some kid thinking I live in COD. Heed my concerns, or ignore them, you don't have to like them, nor do you have to conflict it openly.
Anything can happen anywhere but I did a search and couldn't find a single case of a civilians gun being taken while open carrying. I looked hard and found cases of people being robbed of their guns but none where someone just walked up and grabbed it. This discussion is not about police officers who have much different needs and are placed in much different position. It's about armed citizens who can make whatever calls they want on holster type but right now are being pushed by some towards a solution for a problem that just doesn't exist. The only time I would break out one of my sherpa holsters was if I was doing something avtive like 4 wheeling otherwise I would continue to use the same holsters I do now when I carry concealed. Those holsters by their very nature hold a firearm in closer to the body and make it harder for someone else to remove. I just read a bit about this very issue and the guy made some good points that I'll pass along.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/1 ... st-say-no/
For you, the danger of losing your weapon to an attacker is smaller than the danger of not being able to fire your gun quickly and accurately enough to win a gunfight. And once you recognize the danger of losing your gun, understanding that you need an inviolable “bubble” around your gun, the risk decreases further still. Avoid open carry, and you can round it down to zero. And use a non-retention holster.
Firearm retention training came out of a very real and statistically significant problem to police officers. We don't have that same situation here with civilian carry either open or concealed. We are just not seeing people having guns snatched away. Now if that changes , and it could if more people OC, then my belief may change
You have your points, but for those who are concerned about somebody making a grab for their gun, I stand very firm. I have open carried here in Texas, may it be under different "official" status, but it's still the same. LEO's are in the bad areas dealing with bad things. But I believe that thisewho choose to carry because they're sorounded by bad stuff, and feel the need to defend themselves, may run into this problem eventually. Statistics mean squat in the field, just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean there's a 0% chance of it happening you.
We've both made our cases, and it's up to those who may eventually carry to make their choice.
P.s. That artical was far overly opinionated. I've never lost a draw to this date, and I plan on never being second place dead guy. I'm very opinionated in my choice, and I will be wearing at lease a level II if we get open carry, and my level III for duty carry because of the higher risk. The chances may be higher on duty, but the threat remains the same, somebody trying to disarm me. My risk assesment tells me that retention is a large liability that I address according to my own beliefs.
