Greg Abbott and OC

[anygunanywhere]

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You want a new system, i'm just trying to work with what we have now. I hope you understand that it's not because I want restrictions.

I don't want a new system. I want the old one back.

Your concern for safety is well founded and I agree with you. The four rules are constants that we must adhere to and those who know and handle firearms regularly know in our hearts that there is way more to it than the four rules actually articulate. Kind of like the 10 commandments cover more than they overtly state.

My daddy taught me how to handle firearms and I did the same for my sons. Firearm safety and other life lessons were taught to children by their parents and this is where society as a whole is slipping. Instead of teaching children life lessons parents are off watching Dancing With the Stars while their children are playing video games or else everyone has done a face plant in their phone.

I had a negligent discharge one time when I was a teenager that scared me to death. I will not have another and I do not tolerate sloppy firearm handling by anyone. Personal responsibility is just as applicable to firearms as it is to driving cars, using a rip saw, weed eater, electric mixer, or anything else that can cause injury if not used correctly.

You can't legislate correct behavior, and there are too many laws on the books that restrict freedoms because government has tried to do so.

Darwin rules. Unfortunately innocent people are victims of friendly fire in Darwin incidents.

Sorry for the thread drift.

[Charlies.Contingency]

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You want a new system, i'm just trying to work with what we have now. I hope you understand that it's not because I want restrictions.

I don't want a new system. I want the old one back.

Your concern for safety is well founded and I agree with you. The four rules are constants that we must adhere to and those who know and handle firearms regularly know in our hearts that there is way more to it than the four rules actually articulate. Kind of like the 10 commandments cover more than they overtly state.

My daddy taught me how to handle firearms and I did the same for my sons. Firearm safety and other life lessons were taught to children by their parents and this is where society as a whole is slipping. Instead of teaching children life lessons parents are off watching Dancing With the Stars while their children are playing video games or else everyone has done a face plant in their phone.

I had a negligent discharge one time when I was a teenager that scared me to death. I will not have another and I do not tolerate sloppy firearm handling by anyone. Personal responsibility is just as applicable to firearms as it is to driving cars, using a rip saw, weed eater, electric mixer, or anything else that can cause injury if not used correctly.

You can't legislate correct behavior, and there are too many laws on the books that restrict freedoms because government has tried to do so.

Darwin rules. Unfortunately innocent people are victims of friendly fire in Darwin incidents.

Sorry for the thread drift.

Yeah, you're right. I guess I just went with the easiest shortest path to protectin people the liberal way. You really think we can get this country moving in the right direction? It seems like the constitution and our God given rights are nothing but toilet paper to the majority of politicians. I lost me edge in striving for the extreme victory, but time and bad experiences have their way of grinding us down, eh?

[Charlies.Contingency]

Reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws have exterminated hundreds of millions of people globally.

Please, explain this further as to how it is relevant? How is wanting people to go through a CHL course exterminating hundreds of millions of people in this situation?

Total confiscation historically is the end game where common sense gun laws and reasonable restrictions are placed on a country's citizens. CHLs are what I refer to as one of your reasonable restrictions.

The second amendment says nothing about training being required.

Since CHL's to you will lead to our deaths, we'll move on from that. Could you explain to me what you want as far as how guns are bought, sold, and who can have them, and where they can carry them? You don't have to go into song, I just want to know what it is that is acceptable to you. I only have bits and peices from previous posts

I have no problem with restricting felons from carrying.

Requiring permits to exercise God given rights is infringement whether it is OC or CC.

Citizens should be allowed to carry wherever LEO can carry.

Machine gun bans are extreme infringements. Citizens should be allowed to purchase and own whatever the military is using.

What I carry on my person is no one else's business.

I have mixed thoughts on background checks. If all it was was a background check called in when a person produces government issued ID then that would be OK but my distrust of government gives me pause for concern. Having to fill out the stupid 4473 is a waste of time. I used to be an FFL so I have experience with the laws and ATF audits.

Person to person sales are a fact of life. Get over it. The government should forget about it. There are no gun show loopholes.

Firearms laws are a state concern, not the feds. The interstate commerce clause has been overused and is a tool for tyranny.

Since firearms are a state concern, the feds have pretty much rolled up, squashed, and trampled all over the second amendment. The Post Office, Corp of Engineers, BLM, Parks Service, pretty much every fed alphabet agency has made infringing the second amendment their stock and trade.

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You want a new system, i'm just trying to work with what we have now. I hope you understand that it's not because I want restrictions.

The answer is greater penalties for negligence.

I hate to agree with that... Never a perfect way, eh? Oh well...

[anygunanywhere]

Yeah, you're right. I guess I just went with the easiest shortest path to protectin people the liberal way. You really think we can get this country moving in the right direction? It seems like the constitution and our God given rights are nothing but toilet paper to the majority of politicians. I lost me edge in striving for the extreme victory, but time and bad experiences have their way of grinding us down, eh?

It is never too late to change direction. Lots of hurdles to overcome. Voter apathy, corruption, the pain of having to do what is right and necessary while overcoming the entitlement attitude. I could go on.

Biggest issue is lack of faith in God and His Mercy and providence.

[Charlies.Contingency]

Yeah, you're right. I guess I just went with the easiest shortest path to protectin people the liberal way. You really think we can get this country moving in the right direction? It seems like the constitution and our God given rights are nothing but toilet paper to the majority of politicians. I lost me edge in striving for the extreme victory, but time and bad experiences have their way of grinding us down, eh?

It is never too late to change direction. Lots of hurdles to overcome. Voter apathy, corruption, the pain of having to do what is right and necessary while overcoming the entitlement attitude. I could go on.

Biggest issue is lack of faith in God and His Mercy and providence.

Agree 100%

[anygunanywhere]

There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

[Charlies.Contingency]

There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

Was this an on air report? Is that why you can't provide a link? I'd love to listen in on this, but I work from dark to dark, and I don't have cable, so I'm SOL for tv reports.

[anygunanywhere]

There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

Was this an on air report? Is that why you can't provide a link? I'd love to listen in on this, but I work from dark to dark, and I don't have cable, so I'm SOL for tv reports.

Thanks for the reminder. The report last night was on the air. Just checked their website and here is the link:

http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... s/18943123/

Play safe out there!

[RetNavy]

There was just an OC story on Austin's KVUE. Report seemed essentially neutral. Had a CHL instructor and some citizens giving opinions. The story mentions the bills filed, one for licensed OC and one for (sorry Charles, their words) constitutional carry with no license for OC or CC. If they post it on their website we can run it down.

Was this an on air report? Is that why you can't provide a link? I'd love to listen in on this, but I work from dark to dark, and I don't have cable, so I'm SOL for tv reports.

Thanks for the reminder. The report last night was on the air. Just checked their website and here is the link:

http://www.kvue.com/story/news/state/20 ... s/18943123/

Play safe out there!

beat me to the link

[txglock21]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the last line of the article mentions a proposed bill to make the last weekend of August a tax free weekend on firearms and hunting equipment. I see long lines at the gun counters if passed.

[Wolverine]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the last line of the article mentions a proposed bill to make the last weekend of August a tax free weekend on firearms and hunting equipment. I see long lines at the gun counters if passed.

The feds should repeal the excise tax on guns and ammo. Can you imagine the uproar if they put an excise tax on bibles?

[MeMelYup]

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

[TXBO]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the last line of the article mentions a proposed bill to make the last weekend of August a tax free weekend on firearms and hunting equipment. I see long lines at the gun counters if passed.

The feds should repeal the excise tax on guns and ammo. Can you imagine the uproar if they put an excise tax on bibles?

That excise tax is a result of the Pittman-Robertson Act. All monies collected must be separated from the general fund and used only for the purpose of preserving wildlife, habitat as well as shooting ranges. 50% of all revenues collected from the sale of handguns must be used to support firearms training and gun ranges.

[MeMelYup]

Sorry to hijack this thread, but the last line of the article mentions a proposed bill to make the last weekend of August a tax free weekend on firearms and hunting equipment. I see long lines at the gun counters if passed.

The feds should repeal the excise tax on guns and ammo. Can you imagine the uproar if they put an excise tax on bibles?

That excise tax is a result of the Pittman-Robertson Act. All monies collected must be separated from the general fund and used only for the purpose of preserving wildlife, habitat as well as shooting ranges. 50% of all revenues collected from the sale of handguns must be used to support firearms training and gun ranges.

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[Charlies.Contingency]

Fair enough. I agree to an extent of course. The only differ is that I want some way to ensure that gun owners know how to safely carry and shoot. I have personal reasons for that, and cannot be swayed. I just wish there was a way to give all gunners training for free so that nobody else get hurt like me. Any suggestions on that? I just want some way of getting the stupid out of those who are going to have guns... To bad there isn't a cure for stupid.

You can. Get the school board or state legislature to require firearms safety in grade schools and firearms training in jr high and high schools. It would be nice to see school firearm championships for the state. A type of biathlon where each contestant runs a quarter mile with a 25 lb pack including their firearm and ammo, then have to shoot 5 targets, repeat this for a mile. Or 2 or 5 miles.

That is an excellent idea! Pushing firearm safety at the school level! Too bad it seems like most schools will expel you for doodling a gun. If we ever did pass "Constitutional Carry," I will demanding that this become implemented in school. They can have my 10yr old to go through Sexual Education and see naked bodies, and talk about sex and give out condoms and lubricant. We should have Gun Education, where they teach firearm safety, and the realities of the dangers, and hand out trigger locks and gun oil.

(Pardon my explicitness, and I may be stretching it, but I did it for humor and and make similarities to create the analogy desired.