Campus Carry revived, attached to open carry

[ELB]

I still have hope, but I tell you what, if OC and CC do not pass at this point, it will be a real kick in the teeth to NRA/TSRA and a tremendous boost to OCT/OCTC/etc. It will make Grisham and Watkins look dead-on target with their comments about faux-2A supporters among the Republicans. It won't matter how many of the lesser gun bills get passed, OC and CC are the flagships. They should not be, but they are, and if they go down it will be humiliation.

[CJD]

I still have hope, but I tell you what, if OC and CC do not pass at this point, it will be a real kick in the teeth to NRA/TSRA and a tremendous boost to OCT/OCTC/etc. It will make Grisham and Watkins look dead-on target with their comments about faux-2A supporters among the Republicans. It won't matter how many of the lesser gun bills get passed, OC and CC are the flagships. They should not be, but they are, and if they go down it will be humiliation.

Also, if they do not pass, I'll probably stop paying attention to the legislative sessions from now on, since it doesn't matter anyway and probably nothing will pass.

[steveincowtown]

I still have hope, but I tell you what, if OC and CC do not pass at this point, it will be a real kick in the teeth to NRA/TSRA and a tremendous boost to OCT/OCTC/etc. It will make Grisham and Watkins look dead-on target .....

That is a mighty broad brush! Grisham and Watkins are light years apart, especially at this point in the game.

Whether he has helped are not, Grisham has been articulate in his arguments for OC and has been great on camera. Watkins is a child. He speaks like a child. He acts like a child.

OCT supports both SB11 and SB 17. From their Facebook page:

SB11, Campus Carry, and SB 17, Licensed Open Carry, have both been referred to committee in the House. This is an interesting development, but a step in the process. These bills will go through the same process as the House versions, though probably go a little quicker than the first go around. It is preferable, however, that the House version be the one pushed to the governor from the Senate as it has only minor changes and already incorporated Senate language. It would be a quicker, more streamlined vote!

But, alas: Progress is progress.

At one point, Alice Tripp (TSRA for those that don't know) even thanked CJ.

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Not trying to be argumentative, just getting a little tired of people lumping OCT in with the former OCTC (Watkins) and other groups.


Back to the OP. I think this is a genius move against Straus, and lets hope it works!

[safety1]

I still have hope, but I tell you what, if OC and CC do not pass at this point, it will be a real kick in the teeth to NRA/TSRA and a tremendous boost to OCT/OCTC/etc. It will make Grisham and Watkins look dead-on target with their comments about faux-2A supporters among the Republicans. It won't matter how many of the lesser gun bills get passed, OC and CC are the flagships. They should not be, but they are, and if they go down it will be humiliation.

Also, if they do not pass, I'll probably stop paying attention to the legislative sessions from now on, since it doesn't matter anyway and probably nothing will pass.

[CJD]

Texas Republican Platform quote:

Therefore, we strongly oppose all laws that infringe on the right to bear arms. We oppose the
monitoring of gun ownership, the taxation and regulation of guns, ammunition, and gun
magazines. We collectively urge the legislature to pass “constitutional carry” legislation,
whereby law-abiding citizens that possess firearms can legally exercise their God-given right to
carry that firearm as well. Until such time, we urge the state to re-introduce and pass legislation
easing current restrictions on firearms such as open carry and campus carry.

I firmly believe that we have nothing to worry about. Our representatives know full well what their responsibilities are in this matter. There will be no valid excuses this session if it does not pass.

This same paragraph also says "We collectively urge the legislature to pass “constitutional carry” legislation,
whereby law-abiding citizens that possess firearms can legally exercise their God-given right to
carry that firearm as well." but Constitutional Carry didn't even make it out of committee. I don't put much stock in this.

[G.A. Heath]

I still have hope, but I tell you what, if OC and CC do not pass at this point, it will be a real kick in the teeth to NRA/TSRA and a tremendous boost to OCT/OCTC/etc. It will make Grisham and Watkins look dead-on target .....

That is a mighty broad brush! Grisham and Watkins are light years apart, especially at this point in the game.

Whether he has helped are not, Grisham has been articulate in his arguments for OC and has been great on camera. Watkins is a child. He speaks like a child. He acts like a child.

OCT supports both SB11 and SB 17. From their Facebook page:

SB11, Campus Carry, and SB 17, Licensed Open Carry, have both been referred to committee in the House. This is an interesting development, but a step in the process. These bills will go through the same process as the House versions, though probably go a little quicker than the first go around. It is preferable, however, that the House version be the one pushed to the governor from the Senate as it has only minor changes and already incorporated Senate language. It would be a quicker, more streamlined vote!

But, alas: Progress is progress.

At one point, Alice Tripp (TSRA for those that don't know) even thanked CJ.

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Not trying to be argumentative, just getting a little tired of people lumping OCT in with the former OCTC (Watkins) and other groups.


Back to the OP. I think this is a genius move against Straus, and lets hope it works!

In regards to OCT supporting SB17 and HB910, they claim to support it, but they still attack licensed OC. In truth OCT only started to support SB17/HB910 instead of oppose it AFTER it became obvious that unlicensed carry was dead for this session. As for Alice thanking CJ, she has her reasons for doing so but keep in mind one can thank someone for helping just as they can thank someone for for not complicating matters. OCT is led by a narcissist as demonstrated when CJ testified in the senate committee hearing for SB17 that he was the one to thank or to blame for all the open carry efforts. Nevermind the fact that we had several earlier attempts to pass open carry before CJ inserted himself into the debate. As for lumping OCT in with the others you do realize that OCT spawned OCTC. OCT spawned or was spawned by CATI depending on who tells the story of those groups forming. The thing is that OCT, OCTC, and CATI all have common points that unify them so they get justifiably get lumped together:
1. Leadership that for the most part will not or (in the case of the majority) can not get a Texas CHL.
2. They are Anti-NRA and Anti-TSRA.
3. Demanded Constitutional Carry at the expense of all other pro-gun legislation.
4. Uses in your face tactics and claims PR defeats as victories.
5. Participated in last summers "Lets go to the capital and get arrested" game.

[LSUTiger]

With all the talk of all the political capitol spent on OC blah blah blah nonsense I wonder if some misguided souls are out there making deals to torpedo OC to progress HB 308 or other legislation?

At this point what seemed like a sure thing, OC,is fading fast and my conspiracy theory wheels are turning.

What doesnt make sense is how campus carry could torpedo OC and still be included in hb308 and pass. Unless its a kill OC and get hb308 deal. A potential shot at HB 308 even with out campus carry would still be a worth it for some IMHO even at the expense of sacrificing a sure OC victory.

So my theory is that by design OC is going to be sacrificed, no OC or OC on campus but remove off limits CC including Campus carry.

I still feel like something is amiss and we will end up with nothing.

It's just a theory. I hope I am wrong or just delusional and all goes well.

[G.A. Heath]

With all the talk of all the political capitol spent on OC blah blah blah nonsense I wonder if some misguided souls are out there making deals to torpedo OC to progress HB 308 or other legislation?

At this point what seemed like a sure thing, OC,is fading fast and my conspiracy theory wheels are turning.

What doesnt make sense is how campus carry could torpedo OC and still be included in hb308 and pass. Unless its a kill OC and get hb308 deal. A potential shot at HB 308 even with out campus carry would still be a worth it for some IMHO even at the expense of sacrificing a sure OC victory.

So my theory is that by design OC is going to be sacrificed, no OC or OC on campus but remove off limits CC including Campus carry.

I still feel like something is amiss and we will end up with nothing.

It's just a theory. I hope I am wrong or just delusional and all goes well.

Such an act would waste a lot of political capital. What you are seeing is the hedging of bets. If HB910 is some how killed but we manage to pass HB308 we get campus carry and the reduction in penalty for 30.06, but if we also manage to pass SB17 then we get it all. It also makes it easier to pass SB17 since the additional amendments HB910 has can also be found in HB308. But if we get HB910 and and HB308 then there is some duplication between the bills that was not needed. Essentially we are flanking the opposition AND performing a full frontal assault at the same time while dropping special forces behind enemy lines. We have the opposition surrounded but they are well entrenched and will put up a good fight.

[CJD]

With all the talk of all the political capitol spent on OC blah blah blah nonsense I wonder if some misguided souls are out there making deals to torpedo OC to progress HB 308 or other legislation?

At this point what seemed like a sure thing, OC,is fading fast and my conspiracy theory wheels are turning.

What doesnt make sense is how campus carry could torpedo OC and still be included in hb308 and pass. Unless its a kill OC and get hb308 deal. A potential shot at HB 308 even with out campus carry would still be a worth it for some IMHO even at the expense of sacrificing a sure OC victory.

So my theory is that by design OC is going to be sacrificed, no OC or OC on campus but remove off limits CC including Campus carry.

I still feel like something is amiss and we will end up with nothing.

It's just a theory. I hope I am wrong or just delusional and all goes well.

Such an act would waste a lot of political capital. What you are seeing is the hedging of bets. If HB910 is some how killed but we manage to pass HB308 we get campus carry and the reduction in penalty for 30.06, but if we also manage to pass SB17 then we get it all. It also makes it easier to pass SB17 since the additional amendments HB910 has can also be found in HB308. But if we get HB910 and and HB308 then there is some duplication between the bills that was not needed. Essentially we are flanking the opposition AND performing a full frontal assault at the same time while dropping special forces behind enemy lines. We have the opposition surrounded but they are well entrenched and will put up a good fight.

There should be no need for all the maneuvering, Repub. majority in both chambers!

[v7a]

There should be no need for all the maneuvering, Repub. majority in both chambers!

They're R humans, not robots. Humans like to take credit for things (which is why R Senators want House to pass SB17, while R Reps want Senate to pass HB910).

[CJD]

There should be no need for all the maneuvering, Repub. majority in both chambers!

They're R humans, not robots. Humans like to take credit for things (which is why R Senators want House to pass SB17, while R Reps want Senate to pass HB910).

Such egos are unfortunate. If I could serve Texas in the manner in which they do, I would do so anonymously if it meant bettering the State.

[The Wall]

Why don't they have SH bills so they both can take credit.

[LSUTiger]

With all the talk of all the political capitol spent on OC blah blah blah nonsense I wonder if some misguided souls are out there making deals to torpedo OC to progress HB 308 or other legislation?

At this point what seemed like a sure thing, OC,is fading fast and my conspiracy theory wheels are turning.

What doesnt make sense is how campus carry could torpedo OC and still be included in hb308 and pass. Unless its a kill OC and get hb308 deal. A potential shot at HB 308 even with out campus carry would still be a worth it for some IMHO even at the expense of sacrificing a sure OC victory.

So my theory is that by design OC is going to be sacrificed, no OC or OC on campus but remove off limits CC including Campus carry.

I still feel like something is amiss and we will end up with nothing.

It's just a theory. I hope I am wrong or just delusional and all goes well.

Such an act would waste a lot of political capital. What you are seeing is the hedging of bets. If HB910 is some how killed but we manage to pass HB308 we get campus carry and the reduction in penalty for 30.06, but if we also manage to pass SB17 then we get it all. It also makes it easier to pass SB17 since the additional amendments HB910 has can also be found in HB308. But if we get HB910 and and HB308 then there is some duplication between the bills that was not needed. Essentially we are flanking the opposition AND performing a full frontal assault at the same time while dropping special forces behind enemy lines. We have the opposition surrounded but they are well entrenched and will put up a good fight.

My original thinking was that one thing may have been more palatable than the other to the opposition in light of OC and with the feeling that removing off limits CC was more important than OC by many, it was a way to somehow leverage OC to gain off limits CC.

In watching the House readings and votes for HB 910, they deliberately kept a couple of what I thought were good amendments that were pro 2a and knife law amendment from being added so as not to potentially kill the bill. They kept the issues separate. Now with all the duplication off efforts amongst bills it confused me as to why. They should all be separate IMHO. I am not a betting man and would have gone with the sure thing. Hedging bets this way doesn't gain anything IMHO except give the opportunity for one thing to kill the bill. If they can't pass individually they won't suddenly be acceptable elsewhere.