WAKE UP CALL: TEXAS GOV. BACK RESOLUTION AFFIRMING SOVEREIG

[Liberty]

I'm pretty much done with this one before I begin...

So some people want to be Torrey's (or in this case Washitorians), and some want to LEGISLATIVELY challenge an oppressive tyrannical overseer...Also known as Patriots (or in this case Texans)

I really like the idea of HCR 50, and the foot it theoretically puts down...

Someone apparently believes this automatically puts them in the middle of another civil war...Geesh...

Just because a great number of us have guns...Doesn't mean we have to use them this time...We are not even close...

I agree their concept is great, but is this Resolution any more meaningful or haveany more force of law than the resolution honoring the Boston Strangler
or making the chuck wagon the official Texas vehicle The resolution doesn't give us one bit of freedom, it just allows some donkeys to bray about how they stand for freedom, while they continue kiss federal donkey to get all our pork and federal funding that we can get. If they passed anything that that actually did something I would be convinced that our legislators are serious. Resolutions are meaningless political trumpeting

Paraphrasing the Bee Gees ... These are only words and words are all they have to pacify the sheep

[The Annoyed Man]

Liberty, I'll grant that it may not have any teeth to it, but it still has value for a couple of reasons in my opinion.

One reason is that it reminds Texans that they have constitutional rights over which the federal government has no constitutional authority, and which the federal government abrogates every single day. Texans shouldn't hate federal government as conceived in the Constitution, but they should be disappointed by what it has become since then, and they should be motivated to choose candidates for federal office wisely, vote wisely, and hold their federal representatives accountable for every action they take which strays from their constitutional authority. In so doing, it helps to build up in the minds of Texans the idea that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve every little problem.

Another reason is that we are one of the largest states in the union, not just in square miles, but in population also. Nobody is going to pay much attention nationally if Rhode Island makes a similar declaration, because of that state's diminutive size. But when larger states enact such resolutions, it tends to resonate with residents of other states (meaning no disrespect to the citizens of Rhode Island). To date, 31 states have either passed or introduced similar pending resolutions. This is important because there appears to be a trend of states fighting back and reclaiming their sovereignty. If enough states do it, particularly those states with larger populations, then it serves notice to the federal government that a line has been drawn in the sand, and it serves to remind residents of other states that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve all of their problems.

[Purplehood]

Liberty, I'll grant that it may not have any teeth to it, but it still has value for a couple of reasons in my opinion.

One reason is that it reminds Texans that they have constitutional rights over which the federal government has no constitutional authority, and which the federal government abrogates every single day. Texans shouldn't hate federal government as conceived in the Constitution, but they should be disappointed by what it has become since then, and they should be motivated to choose candidates for federal office wisely, vote wisely, and hold their federal representatives accountable for every action they take which strays from their constitutional authority. In so doing, it helps to build up in the minds of Texans the idea that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve every little problem.

Another reason is that we are one of the largest states in the union, not just in square miles, but in population also. Nobody is going to pay much attention nationally if Rhode Island makes a similar declaration, because of that state's diminutive size. But when larger states enact such resolutions, it tends to resonate with residents of other states (meaning no disrespect to the citizens of Rhode Island). To date, 31 states have either passed or introduced similar pending resolutions. This is important because there appears to be a trend of states fighting back and reclaiming their sovereignty. If enough states do it, particularly those states with larger populations, then it serves notice to the federal government that a line has been drawn in the sand, and it serves to remind residents of other states that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve all of their problems.

That was well-written and I was particularly impressed with the statement that I have highlited.

[Keith B]

Folks, this thread seems to drift away from discussions on guns or the 2nd amendment (maybe really never started there.)

Per the rules for this section

Political Issues

This is the place for gun-related political discussions.

Please keep the thread on topic and conforming to the rules.

Thanks!

[bdickens]

The Fed's Unconstitutional firearms restrictions and wanting to ram more down our throats are part of the wider problem. Ergo, this discussion is very much on-topic, IMHO.

[KD5NRH]

I agree their concept is great, but is this Resolution any more meaningful or haveany more force of law than the resolution honoring the Boston Strangler
or making the chuck wagon the official Texas vehicle

Or Article One of the Constitution of the State of Texas, quoted in part:

That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:
SECTION 1. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States; and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government unimpaired to all the States.

SEC. 2. All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

SEC. 29. To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

It does seem odd that we need a resolution to reaffirm the first and last sections of Article One of our own Constitution, but maybe some people will read the thing and think.

[The Annoyed Man]

Folks, this thread seems to drift away from discussions on guns or the 2nd amendment (maybe really never started there.)

Per the rules for this section

Political Issues

This is the place for gun-related political discussions.

Please keep the thread on topic and conforming to the rules.

Thanks!

Certainly Keith, and I apologize if I wasn't obvious at the top of the thread. Does it help if I make the point that the 10th Amendment supports the 2nd, and if the 10th is properly observed, then the federal government cannot threaten the 2nd, and visa versa?

[Liberty]

Liberty, I'll grant that it may not have any teeth to it, but it still has value for a couple of reasons in my opinion.

One reason is that it reminds Texans that they have constitutional rights over which the federal government has no constitutional authority, and which the federal government abrogates every single day. Texans shouldn't hate federal government as conceived in the Constitution, but they should be disappointed by what it has become since then, and they should be motivated to choose candidates for federal office wisely, vote wisely, and hold their federal representatives accountable for every action they take which strays from their constitutional authority. In so doing, it helps to build up in the minds of Texans the idea that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve every little problem.

Another reason is that we are one of the largest states in the union, not just in square miles, but in population also. Nobody is going to pay much attention nationally if Rhode Island makes a similar declaration, because of that state's diminutive size. But when larger states enact such resolutions, it tends to resonate with residents of other states (meaning no disrespect to the citizens of Rhode Island). To date, 31 states have either passed or introduced similar pending resolutions. This is important because there appears to be a trend of states fighting back and reclaiming their sovereignty. If enough states do it, particularly those states with larger populations, then it serves notice to the federal government that a line has been drawn in the sand, and it serves to remind residents of other states that they should stop looking to the federal government to solve all of their problems.

Its the history and respect that these things have they are traditionally a way of legislators kissing constituent's donkeys with out actually doing anything. These things just aren't respectable pieces of legislation. This is a way of appeasing the disenchanted right wing guntoting churchgoing conservatives without going out on a limb and actually doing anything. If they actually passed laws that ignored the mandates that actually be meaningful. Unfortunately the only states that have done this are the states that have legalized medical marijauna. Texas isn't likely to consider that as an option. They could take a stand with gun legislation and legalize gun ownership for certain people that the feds disallow, we could make Texas a sort of sanctuary state for gun owners. One point where we both agree though is that Texas and every one else needs to start taking the 10th seriously, and demanding that our elected leader respect it.


Kieth, this thread has everything to do gun rights, While our legislature is likely to to let progun bills die because they just run out of time. Of all the issues where the feds illegally regulate outside the parameters of the 10th amendment its gun the RKBA . I believe that it is unarguable that the federal government has no right to tell some who was involved in a domestic dispute that they can't purchase a gun. The tenth amendment makes it very clear that the feds have no right passing Brady legislation. We cant seperate one of the Bill of rights from the other they are all conceived and tied together. This is a civil and polite discussion of very like minded gunowners, who are discussing rights as it pertains to us as gun owners. Please don't lock this!! Although we've all probably said all that we have to say about it already

[Keith B]

Kieth, this thread has everything to do gun rights, While our legislature is likely to to let progun bills die because they just run out of time.

Never said it didn't. I just asked that it stay on topic and referenced our gun rights.

[Stan]

The founding fathers of America sent those sort of resolutions to King George but eventually had to back up their words with guns. Same story with the early Texans and General Santa Anna when he got a taste of power.

Those historical examples show us the true motivation behind efforts to disarm the people.

[casingpoint]

A guy analyzed this type of thing many, many years ago. His report:

"When people have the power, they have the right"-- Abraham Lincoln

[TheArmedFarmer]

"When people have the power, they have the right"-- Abraham Lincoln

Might maketh not right.

[alphonso]

Please please write Gov. Perry and tell him you approve and support him (if you do, of course).

I did...