Senate To Go After Some Handguns

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Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
-Background check of owner and any transferee;
-Type and serial number of the firearm;
-Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
-Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
-Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

Does it seem like they want the grandfathered items to eventually be akin to machine guns manufactured prior to '86? Chalk another one up for the dems and those that hate America & our Constitution (but I repeat myself).

[sookandy]

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Maybe I am having a brain fart, but what the heck would fall into this category?? Tube fed .22 maybe? That's all I can think of.

How about SKS rifles with certain aftermarket magazines? You also have to remember what country she's from. They have restrictions on sport-utility rifles that spawned a cottage industry for fixed magazine conversions for AR15s and other guns that frighten the ignorant.

I thought of the SKS, I had one for a long time and had a bigger mag I could drop in it. It didn't take long to change it out. So to me it isn't "fixed". I get your point about her logic, which is asinine.

[Wodathunkit]

I just turned in all my guns to the nearest military person I could find. It was a corporal bell ringer in the Salvation Army stationed in front of the Walmart.

[RPB]

Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds

Maybe I am having a brain fart, but what the heck would fall into this category?? Tube fed .22 maybe? That's all I can think of.

How about SKS rifles with certain aftermarket magazines? You also have to remember what country she's from. They have restrictions on sport-utility rifles that spawned a cottage industry for fixed magazine conversions for AR15s and other guns that frighten the ignorant.

I thought of the SKS, I had one for a long time and had a bigger mag I could drop in it. It didn't take long to change it out. So to me it isn't "fixed". I get your point about her logic, which is asinine.

A bit of solder (essentially welding it) on a 50 round sks mag soldering the mag to the catch/release made it compliant/fixed/not removable during the ban.

When ban expired, the soldering guns came out again.

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This time they want to include fixed, and thumbhole stocks made to get around the silly pistol grip ban

[Iunnrais]

Hmm, Single feature which will now include a thumb hole stock.... guess my nice little bolt action .22LR would be an 'Assault weapon' if it were wearing a nice Boyd's stock (http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/RVT-MARLI ... 61-061.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Sheesh.

[jimlongley]

Legislation is all about compromise. If they are determined to reenact the ban, the GOP should at the very minimum fight for a 20 round max on handgun magazines, and no federal registration.

I don't think that a Glock 19 or an XD that hold <20 in the standard magazines should be included in the ban. And you can't recall current AR's unless you are willing to pay fair market value for them.

But here is a better idea. They shouldn't even spend one second discussing guns until they can assure me with a Balanced Budget Amendment, that we will not have an economic collapse in this nation like Greece. Because if Greece happens in the USA, I will need and will use my AR-15 and my XD if necessary.

If legislation is all about compromise, I have an idea. Here's a compromise, every one of us will license ourselves and register any of our guns used off our own property, just like driver's licenses and registrations. The compromise being that immediately and without fail the government will build public ranges within convenient distances of all of our homes so that we can use our licensed and registered guns just like our cars. Having licensed and registered them, just like cars, we will then be able to carry them, any of them, openly or concealed, ANYWHERE, just like cars. And if there are buildings that we are to be prohibited from entering then gun "parking" facilities will be provided, just like cars. Transfers will be based on signature only between any two parties, and even by mail, ebay, or craig's list. Guns used exclusively on private property will not need to be licensed, just like cars, and shooters who shoot on private property will not need to be licensed.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

True "compromise" is a deal based on negotiation between two parties starting from some status quo point and each side gaining some benefit. All the gun ban nuts want to "compromise" is that gun owners will do all the giving up without gaining.

Would I trade my full capacity magazines for (unlicensed) national concealed carry? Well, I might think long and hard about it, but I think not, but I might agree to a drop back to zero and then restrictions on full auto weapons similar to NFA before the pre-1986 ban, in exchange for national (unlicensed) concealed carry. That's a compromise I MIGHT be able to live with.

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BTW, has anyone noticed, I haven't seen a comment about it, that it says "registered under NFA"?

Wouldn't that mean that, as for every other NFA, we have to pay a fee to register a firearm we already own? Isn't that an "ex post facto" law? Chas?

[The Annoyed Man]

I just turned in all my guns to the nearest military person I could find. It was a corporal bell ringer in the Salvation Army stationed in front of the Walmart.

Dude, right about now, your avatar is perfect for these discussions!

[Wodathunkit]

I just turned in all my guns to the nearest military person I could find. It was a corporal bell ringer in the Salvation Army stationed in front of the Walmart.

Dude, right about now, your avatar is perfect for these discussions!

Im changing my name to Rusty Shackleford!

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BTW, has anyone noticed, I haven't seen a comment about it, that it says "registered under NFA"?

Wouldn't that mean that, as for every other NFA, we have to pay a fee to register a firearm we already own? Isn't that an "ex post facto" law? Chas?

Yep, I added a quote from the cretin senator's web page that notes registering grandfathered items under NFA.

Under both the '34 Act and the '68 Act, there were registration periods. I don't believe there was a fee associated with that initial, required registration under the '34 Act - as it was a simple registration of an existing item. I don't recall anything about a fee to register grandfathered items in the cretin senator's web page...?

[sjfcontrol]

BTW, has anyone noticed, I haven't seen a comment about it, that it says "registered under NFA"?

Wouldn't that mean that, as for every other NFA, we have to pay a fee to register a firearm we already own? Isn't that an "ex post facto" law? Chas?

Yep, I added a quote from the cretin senator's web page that notes registering grandfathered items under NFA.

Under both the '34 Act and the '68 Act, there were registration periods. I don't believe there was a fee associated with that initial, required registration under the '34 Act - as it was a simple registration of an existing item. I don't recall anything about a fee to register grandfathered items in the cretin senator's web page...?

Stealth Tax.

[Bitterclinger]

What's up with the whole "grenade launcher" thing? Is it just hyperbole?

When I first read that, I thought, "Oh well, at least we can still have C-4 and tactical nukes."

[VMI77]

BTW, has anyone noticed, I haven't seen a comment about it, that it says "registered under NFA"?

Wouldn't that mean that, as for every other NFA, we have to pay a fee to register a firearm we already own? Isn't that an "ex post facto" law? Chas?

Yep, I added a quote from the cretin senator's web page that notes registering grandfathered items under NFA.

Under both the '34 Act and the '68 Act, there were registration periods. I don't believe there was a fee associated with that initial, required registration under the '34 Act - as it was a simple registration of an existing item. I don't recall anything about a fee to register grandfathered items in the cretin senator's web page...?

Graham said on some show like Meet the Press that it includes a $200 tax per gun.

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BTW, has anyone noticed, I haven't seen a comment about it, that it says "registered under NFA"?

Wouldn't that mean that, as for every other NFA, we have to pay a fee to register a firearm we already own? Isn't that an "ex post facto" law? Chas?

Yep, I added a quote from the cretin senator's web page that notes registering grandfathered items under NFA.

Under both the '34 Act and the '68 Act, there were registration periods. I don't believe there was a fee associated with that initial, required registration under the '34 Act - as it was a simple registration of an existing item. I don't recall anything about a fee to register grandfathered items in the cretin senator's web page...?

Graham said on some show like Meet the Press that it includes a $200 tax per gun.

Not that Constitutionality matters to the federal government - they act as if there is no limit to their power - I don't see how a tax associated with registering an existing, owned title 1 firearm could be allowed under the federal taxing powers enumerated in the U.S. Constitution.

There was a reason the registration of existing, but newly classified NFA items had no tax or fee associated with registration - there was no way to conform such a tax to inactivity (item was already owned). The Feds could not show how it (a tax on inactivity that wasn't a tax based on population/capitation) was permitted by the U.S. Constitution.

[gigag04]

$200 per AR in the US would add up quick.

Now...to go form a trust...

[VMI77]

And another thing.....this proposal eliminates the presumption of innocence (which should be unconstitutional in and of itself). Anyone caught with a mag of greater than 10 round capacity will have to prove they bought it before the ban, which is impossible. Even if you have itemized receipts of all your magazine purchases it won't PROVE you didn't by any particular magazine after the ban. So effectively, there really is no grandfathering for magazines.