.45 Glock vs. Sig

[Thiggy]

Help me out guys. Glock Model 30 or Sig Sauer P220? It's for concealing and I can't decide. All factors are relevant. Any experiences/preferences/reasoning?

[Tactical_Texan_CHL]

Tough choice. Both are good guns. I went with the Glock 30, but I'm just a Glock kinda guy. It's easy to conceal, and ultra reliable, and I love it. Even the compact Sig 220 is pretty bulky. Plus, more capacity in the Glock 30. The Sig's a good, solid gun, but my choice and opinion would be go for the Glock 30.

[razoraggie]

Try out the Glock 21 SF (slim frame). Same Glock reliability with a single stack mag and about a 1/3" less width. Very nice piece and GREAT for conceal carry.

[Skiprr]

Thiggy, you didn't note anything about your background or experience. If you normally carry SIGs and are experienced with them, that may be enough to make your selection.

SIG makes a fine, quality pistol. No argument. But the pistols ain't small. The P220 Compact, with 6+1 capacity, is 7.8 inches long, 5 inches tall, 1.5" wide, and just over 31 ounces with an empty mag. That's a pretty hefty pistol for the 6+1 .45 ACP you get in return. Too, I (just me personally) have never been a big fan of DA/SA (manual decocking) pistols only because the operator must be competent with two very different trigger pulls on the same gun.

I have no data, but I'll bet lunch money that the P220 Compact is inherently more accurate than the G30. That given, the Glock is smaller in all dimensions--it's even thinner and lighter--and it carries 10+1. 'Course, you put 11 rounds in the Glock and seven in the SIG, and they may weigh about the same (dry, the SIG is about six ounces heavier).

The big thing: If you haven't shot both pistols, don't make up your mind until you do. Range rental, borrow from a friend, whatever it takes. One pistol may instantly feel better in your hand and feel like a natural point of aim. That may outweigh any stats about size and capacity.

Good luck!

P.S.: I like your choice of caliber. Not to start THAT caliber-preference dead horse kickin' again. I just, personally, like .45 ACP as a carry round. I hope Ranger SXT +P (RA45TP) can be found somewhere again soon...

[OverEasy]

Thiggy,
See if you can shoot both of them(rental guns, or friend's guns). At least some model of Glock and some model of SIG.
They fit very differently in your hand and point different. I have one Glock and several SIGs. I carry the Glock alot, because it is lighter. Beleive me the weight difference is noticeable.
I shoot the SIGs better. They point more naturally, for me. It all depends on how they "feel" in YOUR hands and how you shoot with them. Both a well made dependable weapons and lots of holsters etc. are available for either one.
Regards, OE

[9mmGuy]

the 30sf was just released, i know some gun stores have them already. supposed to be really comfy in the hand...

[Tactical_Texan_CHL]

WHAT? I didn't even know there was to be such an animal! I feel a new purchase coming on! Do you have a link? I couldn't find it on Glock's website, but I couldn't find the 21sf either. It took them years to change it from the original website. I guess it doesn't surprise me that it's not too current!

[D.R.T.]

I own a Glock 30 and carry it regularly...there is no better 45 ACP to conceal carry or I would have it. Glock is one of if not the best pistol manufacturer out there. I would go with the Glock 30 because they are one sweet gun. I also recently bought a Glock 39, it is a 45GAP, which uses a smaller round with similar specs to the 45 ACP. It is a much smaller gun and easier to conceal with the same stopping power. You may want to check those out too. The ammo is not as easy to find because it is fairly new...ie: Walmart does not carry it, but Bass Pro does. Anyway, good luck to you and I would stick with a Glock...you won't be unhappy, they all shoot like a dream!

[Scott Murray]

OK. I'll bite. I'm a Sig guy with a fair amount of trigger time on my cousin's Glocks. Since most of the posts so far favor the Glock, I'll offer my reasons for staying with the Sig.

I'll concede that the Glocks are lighter, smaller, and carry more rounds. The barrel is closer to the hand, and the grip angle steeper. These factors combine to reduce muzzle rise. The light double action trigger with a short reset combine to allow very fast, accurate shooting. Guys with Glocks do very well at IDPA type competitions.

Both pistols are well made, and reliable. They're both more accurate than I am.

So why use a Sig? I feel its safer to carry. I feel that the regular double action trigger for the first shot keeps the pistol safer until the shooting starts. The double action pull is smooth. I've been surprised at how accurate it can be. And of course after the first shot everything is single action. I'm afraid that with it's light trigger pull, something might snag the Glock's trigger when sliding it in the holster and cause an inadvertent discharge. The one safety it has on the trigger itself doesn't seem to offer much protection. I like the fact that I can put my thumb on the Sig's hammer as it goes in the holster. If anything starts to pull the trigger, I'll feel it.

I feel that since the Glock's hammer is half cocked, it's not really double action. It's more like a longer pull on a single action pistol, without a real safety. I've never seen any statistics about negligent discharges as a function of gun model (if anyone knows where they are, I'd be interested), but in isolated incidents I've read about, Glocks often seem to be involved.

So please don't flame me, my Glock friends. I know lots of you carry for years without any problems. I'm sure you can do it safely. These are just my personal reasons for staying with a traditional double action pistol. We all have to make our own decisions.

Scott

[9mmGuy]

WHAT? I didn't even know there was to be such an animal! I feel a new purchase coming on! Do you have a link? I couldn't find it on Glock's website, but I couldn't find the 21sf either. It took them years to change it from the original website. I guess it doesn't surprise me that it's not too current!

got these from glock talk


http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread. ... light=30sf
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread. ... light=30sf
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread. ... light=30sf

[sailor2000]

I have a SIG P220 and have carried it regularly for years. Have never had a malfunction with ammo that was not a 'range reload'. I like the de-cocker and the fact that you don't need to turn the pistol 'on' in order to fire it when you draw. It is not light, but not so heavy that I really notice it either.

I have recently purchased and started carrying a S&W CS45. Samller and lighter, really disappears when concelaed in a IWB holster. Considering having the factory convert it to a decocker.

[gregthehand]

First let me say that the Glock 21SF is not a single stack it's double.

I actually own all three right now. I have a Glock 21SF, a Glock 30, and a Sig 220 Single-Action-Only duo tone. All have factory night sights. The Glocks are carried in a Tucker Answer IWB holster and the Sig is carried in a Comp-Tac IWB. In my opinion the Sig is a little easier to carry since it is thinner. As far as shootability the Sig and Glock run neck and neck. I will say that I enjoy shooting the Sig more though becasue of the single action trigger pull. I guess my biggest problem with this issue is trying to decide which one I should carry that day .

[dukesean]

Like all the posters have mentioned, both Glock and Sig make quality pistols, no argument there. Personally I go with Sig because they fit my hand better, which allows me to shoot a lot better with them, but that is personal and you should try both out to determine which one is better for you. But, the 220 is definitely not a tiny gun. I own both the 220 and 220 Carry, and even the Carry model is pretty thick and hefty.

I happen to like DA/SA. Again, this is a personal preference issue, but I also belive it is just a matter of practice. These days doing a DA/SA double tap I can darn near put the second bullet in the first hole. To me, having to "know" two trigger pulls is a non-issue, but if you don't plan to practice with whatever you decide to carry, it won't make much of a difference whether it's Glock or Sig.

Since some people have voiced concerns of magazine capacity for the P220, may I ask if you are 100% on carrying in .45ACP? If I may suggest a move to .40S&W, then I would highly recommend the P229, which would allow you higher capacity mags. Slimmer than the P220 and gosh darn it I actually shoot even better with the P229.

I think the best advice is to try them both out if possible, find out what is more comfortable in your hand, what you are comfortable with carrying, and after you make your decision practice practice practice.

just my 2 cents

[thejtrain]

As a G30 owner who has yet to carry anywhere (In the Waiting Room ), I'm pleased an encouraged by the good impressions of the folks in this thread!

[G.C.Montgomery]

Thiggy, the two guns are different enough that you need to try them yourself to see which you'll prefer. Someone mentioned the extra weight of the Sig. There are two ways to look at that...One is, the heavier gun means less felt recoil and a gun that may be potentially easier to shoot. Glock now offers the G30SF that makes the G30 grip easier to live with but it's still a fat gun for some folks. That fat grip however, give you a higher starting capacity of 9/10+1 verus 6/7+1. The G30 can also use the 13rd magazines of the larger G21/G21SF. Having said all that, I'd lean toward the Sig 220 Compact with a DAK trigger because I find that platform feels better in my hand. Unfortunately, the DAK trigger is only available on the SAS model last time I checked.