Pump Shotguns Carried by Many Special Forces

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Jusme wrote:I think the whole issue comes down to what works for you, what you feel most competent with, and your individual home defense plan.
As most of you may know, I only recently acquired my first AR, I have less that 200 rounds through it, mostly from a rest, getting used to the action, sighting it in and becoming more familiar with it. Could I potentially use it as a HD gun? Sure, but my confidence level, and overall competency with it, is minimal to say the least, I haven't done any tactical training with it, haven't worked clearing my house with it, and don't have a light mounted on it for seeing things that go bump in the night.
My Mossberg, on the other hand, has seen at least 3500 rounds through it with probably an equal number of target/dove loads, and HD rounds, #00 buck #1 buck and slugs. I feel very confident with it, I can manipulate all of the actions, safety, tactical reloads etc. in complete darkness, and under simulated stress situations, I have a light attached to be sure that I can see my potential target at night. I regularly practice with it in the dark (especially after Mrs. Jusme rearranges the furniture) I know what my POI, vs POA will be at distances of 10 feet, to 25 yards. Overall, my confidence in my ability to get my shotgun into play if needed, is as high as it can be.

With that said, what works for me may not work for you. I'm sure that my house layout differs from yours, the number of other people in the house that have to be accounted for, as well as their location, varies. And most of all, what you are comfortable, and confident with, will be different. I will never tell someone that their choice of firearm for HD is incorrect, everyone will have to make that choice for themselves.
BG can be, and have been stopped, with a variety of firearms, ammo, and shot placement, my only suggestion would be try different firearms, see what works for you in a dark house, have a plan for your family if someone should break in, so that everyone know where they will be and where you will be. Practice, practice, practice, you will only react as well as you have trained, especially waking from a deep sleep in the dark. JMHO
:iagree: I was in the middle of writing pretty much what you wrote. I am more comfortable with my home defense pump shotgun for the house and my EDC handgun when away from it. That said, waking up to a crash or bump in the night, my sleepy head may instinctively lead me to my EDC since I'm in the habit of putting it on first thing every morning. Hopefully I will never have to find out! :shock:
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C-dub wrote:That is odd about the Benelli TAM. I have mostly fired 2.75" #7.5 and #8 through mine without any mechanical malfunctions.
I run only semi-auto's, only Remington, have 1100's (trap, tactical, & SBS) and Versa-max (trap, tactical) and have never encountered ANY problems. YMMV, obviously...

Have seen many folks struggle mightily on the range with pump action shotty's, and similarly have seen problems with Benelli's, while other folks have zero issues w/their Benelli's. The Italian gun does cost 2-3X what my Remington's cost, the Benelli does have a weight advantage and admittedly some additional sex appeal. And who cannot use more sex appeal?
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carlson1 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
carlson1 wrote:Scenario:
You are a sleep in your bedroom. An intruder breaks in with a knife. He is 15 feet from you. You have a chance to take only one shot. What weapon do you want to shoot the intruder with?

Me....Shotgun!
Okay, but why?
One shot is .32 cal 8 pellets (some 15 pellets) in the kill zone. Proper ammo in 15' the shotgun only spreads about an 1". Great Big Hole! ;-)
With one shot from a .45 dead center intruder has a good chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a .223 dead center intruder has a fair chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a 12 gauge or 20 gauge even dead center intruder has a very slim chance to keep coming. (you have blood on your carpet)
A great round I have found because of another thread on the Forum is Federal LE132-1B.
I've looked and looked for a place that is selling the flight control 1B. SGammo.com has it listed as out of stock. Been that way for the several months that I've been looking. I recently purchased some of the flight control #00, looking to run a couple boxes through my Mossberg 590 sometime in the near future, then maybe stock up.
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allisji wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
carlson1 wrote:Scenario:
You are a sleep in your bedroom. An intruder breaks in with a knife. He is 15 feet from you. You have a chance to take only one shot. What weapon do you want to shoot the intruder with?

Me....Shotgun!
Okay, but why?
One shot is .32 cal 8 pellets (some 15 pellets) in the kill zone. Proper ammo in 15' the shotgun only spreads about an 1". Great Big Hole! ;-)
With one shot from a .45 dead center intruder has a good chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a .223 dead center intruder has a fair chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a 12 gauge or 20 gauge even dead center intruder has a very slim chance to keep coming. (you have blood on your carpet)
A great round I have found because of another thread on the Forum is Federal LE132-1B.
I've looked and looked for a place that is selling the flight control 1B. SGammo.com has it listed as out of stock. Been that way for the several months that I've been looking. I recently purchased some of the flight control #00, looking to run a couple boxes through my Mossberg 590 sometime in the near future, then maybe stock up.


Yeah #1 buck flight control is tough to find I got my last batch from Ammunition Depot, but I just checked and they are out also. I still have my name on a "notify me" list, for several suppliers, If I find some, I'll pass it along.
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Jusme wrote:
allisji wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
carlson1 wrote:Scenario:
You are a sleep in your bedroom. An intruder breaks in with a knife. He is 15 feet from you. You have a chance to take only one shot. What weapon do you want to shoot the intruder with?

Me....Shotgun!
Okay, but why?
One shot is .32 cal 8 pellets (some 15 pellets) in the kill zone. Proper ammo in 15' the shotgun only spreads about an 1". Great Big Hole! ;-)
With one shot from a .45 dead center intruder has a good chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a .223 dead center intruder has a fair chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a 12 gauge or 20 gauge even dead center intruder has a very slim chance to keep coming. (you have blood on your carpet)
A great round I have found because of another thread on the Forum is Federal LE132-1B.
I've looked and looked for a place that is selling the flight control 1B. SGammo.com has it listed as out of stock. Been that way for the several months that I've been looking. I recently purchased some of the flight control #00, looking to run a couple boxes through my Mossberg 590 sometime in the near future, then maybe stock up.


Yeah #1 buck flight control is tough to find I got my last batch from Ammunition Depot, but I just checked and they are out also. I still have my name on a "notify me" list, for several suppliers, If I find some, I'll pass it along.
Apparently, LE132-1B has taken law enforcement by storm. It is very hard to come by.

I got lucky a year or so ago and was able to pick up a case. A friend bought 2 of the 5 sleeves in the case. (A sleeve is 10 five-round boxes.)
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:iagree:

I was able to pick up 10 boxes a few months back from ammunition depot, thanks to AndyC, but I haven't found anymore in stock since. I'll post to the forum if I get any notices that they are back in stock.
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Pawpaw wrote:
Jusme wrote:
allisji wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
C-dub wrote:
carlson1 wrote:Scenario:
You are a sleep in your bedroom. An intruder breaks in with a knife. He is 15 feet from you. You have a chance to take only one shot. What weapon do you want to shoot the intruder with?

Me....Shotgun!
Okay, but why?
One shot is .32 cal 8 pellets (some 15 pellets) in the kill zone. Proper ammo in 15' the shotgun only spreads about an 1". Great Big Hole! ;-)
With one shot from a .45 dead center intruder has a good chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a .223 dead center intruder has a fair chance of having enough strength to keep coming. (your stabbed)
With one shot from a 12 gauge or 20 gauge even dead center intruder has a very slim chance to keep coming. (you have blood on your carpet)
A great round I have found because of another thread on the Forum is Federal LE132-1B.
I've looked and looked for a place that is selling the flight control 1B. SGammo.com has it listed as out of stock. Been that way for the several months that I've been looking. I recently purchased some of the flight control #00, looking to run a couple boxes through my Mossberg 590 sometime in the near future, then maybe stock up.


Yeah #1 buck flight control is tough to find I got my last batch from Ammunition Depot, but I just checked and they are out also. I still have my name on a "notify me" list, for several suppliers, If I find some, I'll pass it along.
Apparently, LE132-1B has taken law enforcement by storm. It is very hard to come by.

I got lucky a year or so ago and was able to pick up a case. A friend bought 2 of the 5 sleeves in the case. (A sleeve is 10 five-round boxes.)
It was in another thread that Pawpaw mentioned the LE132-1B. I was able to buy a case and I also bought a half of case of the Federal Slugs.

There is all kinds of options and opinions on what is best for SD, but I have always said that most shotgun fights don't last long. You have wonder why? :fire
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Jusme wrote::iagree:

I was able to pick up 10 boxes a few months back from ammunition depot, thanks to AndyC, but I haven't found anymore in stock since. I'll post to the forum if I get any notices that they are back in stock.
I finally got my order in for the Federal LE132-1B today. In stock now at SGammo.com
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